re: Tim Sheehy: "Pakistan appears to have won every engagement so far with Chinese technology"

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Tet offensive

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Was a fricking military failure. Good fricking God man how do you not know that

It’s about the objective in the end. We kicked the shite out of them in nearly every battle, but they won in the end. We might have racked up more kills in the Tet Offensive, but their objective was to break American resolve at home and it proved to be a decisive victory. We were trying to fight an asymmetrical war by conventional means and wondered why we got our asses kicked. Then, we did it again in Afghanistan and still haven’t learned our lesson.

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When you consistently exhibit delusional disorder you have no credibility on any subject.

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Sounds like you're speaking of yourself

We'll start with the point there is more than one 35 involved Chuck Horner you aren't.

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We might have racked up more kills in the Tet Offensive, but their objective was to break American resolve at home and it proved to be a decisive victory

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Yes of course. But the resolve of American civilians isn't what we're talking about here. At the end of the day we kicked the shite out of them and would have continued to do so. It's just nobody could figure out why we were even there in the first place. Which is a completely different discussion.

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I mean for frick sake man every person of even moderate knowledge knows the Tet Offensive was a failure militarily and we kicked the shite out of them. It proved to be successful politically because American people lost their resolve. But you damn shrink and I make a fricking military living if you get Tet Offensive results with your attacks. I mean for god sakes we absolutely beat the shite out of them

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LINK

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offensive as a failure for the Vietcong, pointing to their retreat and staggering casualties. But when General William Westmoreland reported that completing the Vietcong's defeat would necessitate 200,000 more American soldiers and require an activation of the reserves, even loyal supporters of the war effort began to see that a change in strategy was needed.

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Why would Westmoreland need more troops? Thats a weird thing to ask for since it doesn’t matter.

Its not about the literal outcome of the individual battle, my point is that this is how communists have always fought wars. Throw huge numbers at the enemy, over and over again. We never conquered north vietnam bc we weren’t willing to commit to the numbers.

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Its not about the literal outcome of the individual battle, my point is that this is how communists have always fought wars. Throw huge numbers at the enemy, over and over again. We never conquered north vietnam bc we weren’t willing to commit to the numbers

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? General westMoreland asked for more troops he wanted enough to crush the enemy. But literally nobody thinks we lost the Tet Offensive. Nobody. And yes. Fighting a war where the other side isn't really even trying to win that the people of your nation don't even know why they're in it is never going to end in total victory

This Thread is about whether or not the Chinese can beat us using the same tactics. And that's an unequivocal no. Even when you had a chance to think of examples of actual Victory using such tactics you gave two examples where the theoretical victors were getting their asses kicked.

I mean if we hadn't had resolve of the people in World War II we would have quit also. But that wouldn't have meant we weren't kicking the Japanese arse. It would have just meant we were tired of people dying. You're conflating one thing with the other

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This Thread is about whether or not the Chinese can beat us using the same tactics. And that's an unequivocal no.

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Right, this is why I brought up their focus on mass production and large numbers. Its a fundamental difference in philosophy. Using the example of the sherman vs panzer/tiger in wwII. We didnt beat germans using the same tactics.

But now we have a hard data point that their J-10 downed a relatively recent/advanced western jet. It was common knowledge before that rafale’s were superior aircraft…

on equal footing their gen 4.5 aircraft bested frances gen 4.5 aircraft…. And they can make them 10 times as fast… so yeah i think its strange that anyone raising an eyebrow at that would piss you off so much.

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When you consistently exhibit delusional disorder you have no credibility on any subject.

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Coming from the poster that was wailing about the market crashing back in April because of the emergence of Chinese AI and the “AI Bubble” bursting? And that you were preparing for another 2008??

Well it’s May and …….. whoops.

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So whoop-dee-doo India bought a few high-end planes from Europe. You can bet your arse they don't have anything vaguely resembling our ISR capabilities. Nothing even close.

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China has 5th generation fighters too

If this is any indication of their capability, those might not actually be shitty. Which has been what everyone is banking on.