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re: TIL the Roman Catholic basilica and shrine is the tallest building in Washington DC

Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by Bunsbert Montcroff
Phoenix AZ / Boise ID
Member since Jan 2008
5491 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:51 pm to
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the Immaculate Conception Is the Biggest False doctrine in "Christianity"

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this is pretty fundamental to the nature of Jesus Christ

i'll bet you 10 bucks that this guy doesn't even know what the immaculate conception refers to.
Posted by coonasswhodat
Gonzales, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
4112 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:53 pm to
Awesome. I went to St Paul’s Cathedral in Minnesota about four years. Truly magnificent structures. St George’s in south Baton Rouge is pretty big.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 7:58 pm to
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you must be a democrat, because your sources suck...catholicism began under constantine, when pagan rome adopted "christianity" and bastardized it with pagainism...you better check again


Jesus Christ is the founder of the Catholic Church and he appointed Saint Peter as the first Pope, try again.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:00 pm to
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There are two kinds of Christians in the world. Catholics and heretics. Any person who claims to be Christian, yet doesn't belong to the Catholic Church, is guilty of heresy. It's as simple as that.

The Catholic Church outdates your pitiful denomination by over 1,500 years. If you're Orthodox, the Catholic Church only beats you by just over 1,000 years.


One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!
Posted by 31TIGERS
Mike’s habitat
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:00 pm to
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Clark14


Look in the mirror, asswipe.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10372 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:19 pm to
The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.

Catholicism - the Catholic church is the only way to heaven

Protestantism - Jesus is the only way to heaven
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64883 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:22 pm to
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The difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.

Catholicism - the Catholic church is the only way to heaven

Protestantism - Jesus is the only way to heaven


Actually...the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

There is no salvation apart from Christ and His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

You need both. Not just one or the other.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21073 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:28 pm to
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I imagine that money could have helped a lot of needy people.



You would have just spent it on heroin and you know it.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10372 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:30 pm to
So Jesus is no longer the only way to heaven? It requires a pit stop through the Catholic church?
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21073 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:32 pm to
What do people like you think you're accomplishing with these posts?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101158 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:33 pm to
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the Immaculate Conception Is the Biggest False doctrine in "Christianity"

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this is pretty fundamental to the nature of Jesus Christ

i'll bet you 10 bucks that this guy doesn't even know what the immaculate conception refers to.




In the context here, I don't suspect he does.

Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:33 pm to
What is this shite?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98276 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:36 pm to
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Is the Biggest False doctrine in "Christianity


Eternal virginity of Mary scoffs at this.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:55 pm to
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It seems to be the opposite, actually. Those focused on worldly riches tend to overlook the riches of God's grace in salvation through Jesus Christ. Grace stands in opposition to works (in terms of salvation), and those focused on the worldly pursuits tend to have a very works-oriented view of salvation.


Thats how it should be ;-)
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64883 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:57 pm to
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It requires a pit stop through the Catholic church?


Not exactly. Those who are "invincibly" ignorant of the above doctrine will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God and will thus have the real possibility of attaining salvation.

However, for those people who have been shown this truth and yet still deny it, nothing awaits them but eternal damnation.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
8706 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 8:58 pm to
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It's more a jab at the argument we aren't a Christian nation when a Catholic basilica dominates our capital's skyline.


Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70622 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:04 pm to
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i guess you know better than church history....you are a brainwashed fool....your "jesus" is tammuz....your "mary" is semiramus and your "god" is the sun...in egypt, it was osiris/isis/horus...you are ignorant, and it shows


I've seen this nonsense here before.

Jesus is just like Horus, except for Horus having the head of a falcon and his mission being to avenge the murder of Osiris and not having an earthly ministry and not dying for our sins and being resurrected and being conceived normally instead of a virgin birth...
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10372 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:06 pm to
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However, for those people who have been shown this truth and yet still deny it, nothing awaits them but eternal damnation.



Truth based on their own doctrine claiming it is a requirement to get to heaven or truth based on what is in the bible?

The bible clearly states that faith in Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. There is no addition to this fundamental truth.

Let's not waste our time discussing lengthy papal gaps throughout history. Or indulgences. Or transubstantiation. Or praying to Mary. Or confessing sins to a person rather than directly to god.
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:22 pm to
It's late and I'm getting lazy, so forgive my cutting and pasting right from Catholic.com:

"One passage Fundamentalists often cite as a proof text against the Catholic view of salvation is Ephesians 2:8–9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." Though this passage can stymie Catholics in conversation, they need not feel threatened by it. Even if we assume that Paul is speaking of "good works" when he says we have not been saved by works, this in no way conflicts with Catholic theology.

Notice that the passage speaks of salvation in the past tense—"you have been saved." In Greek this is the perfect tense, which denotes a past, completed action. We know from the Bible that salvation also has present and future aspects, so the kind of salvation Paul is discussing in Ephesians 2:8–9 is initial salvation. It is the kind which we received when we first came to God and were justified, not the kind of salvation we are now receiving (1 Pet. 1:8–9, Phil. 2:12) or the kind we one day will receive (Rom. 13:11, 1 Cor. 3:15, 5:5).

But the Catholic Church does not teach that we receive initial justification by good works. You do not have to do good works in order to come to God and be justified. The Council of Trent states: "And we are said to be justified by grace because nothing that precedes justification, whether faith or works, merits the grace of justification. For ‘if it is by grace, it is no longer by works; otherwise,’ as the apostle says, ‘grace is no more grace’ [Rom. 11:6]" (Decree on Justification 8).

So even if Paul were using "works" to mean "good works" in Ephesians 2:8–9, there is no conflict with Catholic theology. However, Paul probably does not mean "good works." Normally when he says "works," he means "works of the Law"—those done out of the Law of Moses. His point is to stress that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ and not by obeying the Mosaic Law. Jews may not boast of having a privileged relationship with God because they keep the Mosaic Law and its requirement of circumcision (Rom. 2:6–11, 17–21, 25–29, 3:21–22, 27–30).

Paul discusses how Jew and Gentiles are united together in the body of Christ and mentions works in connection with boasting, before turning to the whole subject of circumcision and membership in Christ: "Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called the uncircumcision by what is called the circumcision . . . remember that you were at that time separated from Christ. . . . But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near in the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the Law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two . . . and might reconcile us both to God in one body. . . . So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God" (Eph. 2:11–19).

Paul is probably using "works" and "boasting" here as he does in Romans, of Jews boasting before Gentiles of having privilege with God due to their keeping the Mosaic Law. He says we are not saved in that manner, but by faith—meaning faith in Christ—so no one, either Jew or Gentile, can boast of having a more privileged position with God. We are all saved on the same basis—through faith in Christ and union in his body, the Church.

The apostle then turns our attention away from works of the Mosaic Law and toward the kind of works a Christian should be interested in—good works: "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10). The sense of what Paul is saying is: "God has raised up both of us—Jews and Gentiles—to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, for we received initial salvation as a gift. We obtained it by faith in Christ (which itself is a gift from God), not by works of obedience to the Mosaic Law—so neither Jew or Gentile can boast over the other of having privilege with God. Instead, we Christians are the result of God’s work, for he created us anew in the body of Christ so that we might do good works—the kind of works we should be concerned about—for God intended ahead of time for us to do them" (paraphrase of Eph. 2:6–10).
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 9:25 pm
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10372 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:37 pm to
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AustinTigr


TLDR version for ya:

We do good deeds because we are saved Christians, not as a requirement to be saved.
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