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Posted on 6/22/25 at 8:12 am to Wednesday
I don’t think any rational person really WANTS us to get involved and we all know we can’t afford it. That said, Iran continued to be aggressive to us and our interests either directly or via proxy for decades. They also continued to enrich uranium. Israel’s attack opened a door to resolve the uranium matter decisively and we took advantage of it.
Based on their history I have do doubt that Iran would have used nuclear weapons at best to leverage themselves so they could be more aggressive or at worst as a conduit to terrorists to have access to to nasty weapons. Given their rhetoric we also should assume they’d also be good with trying to slip one of these weapons into the US and most definitely Israel. I don’t believe they see nukes as a deterrent but rather a means to an end.
So I don’t personally have an issue with our attack but we need to see what happens next. Hopefully they’ll just talk a bunch of shite but withdraw back rather than risk further attacks.
Based on their history I have do doubt that Iran would have used nuclear weapons at best to leverage themselves so they could be more aggressive or at worst as a conduit to terrorists to have access to to nasty weapons. Given their rhetoric we also should assume they’d also be good with trying to slip one of these weapons into the US and most definitely Israel. I don’t believe they see nukes as a deterrent but rather a means to an end.
So I don’t personally have an issue with our attack but we need to see what happens next. Hopefully they’ll just talk a bunch of shite but withdraw back rather than risk further attacks.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:28 am to eddieray
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He shite on our own intelligence
You know that… how?
Because that’s the story the media is telling you?
The same media that’s lied to you for decades? The same IC that’s lied to you for decades?
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:31 am to Wednesday
Hope you and yours have a blessed day. All we can do is lead by example and hope that others find the way.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:19 am to Wednesday
I'm just PO'd that Bibi was insisting we do something like 48 hours ago, and then we do something. We're not their dog, and I don't like us looking like their dog.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:31 am to Wednesday
I’m updating this post to scream into the wind that Mark Levin has become insufferable in Trump 2.0.
Just insufferable. How someone so smart can become so virulently myopic and shrill about it - is insufferable.
Perhaps the worst thing about this strike is that it will embolden people like Levin and Lindsey Graham
I wish they would all go on a sabbatical. And just shut up. They are reckless and dangerous.
FWIW, I’m willing to give Trump some time and wait and see on this one, bc I do not see this action as some sort of endorsement of those two. He’s never made noises like that and he better not start.
Just insufferable. How someone so smart can become so virulently myopic and shrill about it - is insufferable.
Perhaps the worst thing about this strike is that it will embolden people like Levin and Lindsey Graham
I wish they would all go on a sabbatical. And just shut up. They are reckless and dangerous.
FWIW, I’m willing to give Trump some time and wait and see on this one, bc I do not see this action as some sort of endorsement of those two. He’s never made noises like that and he better not start.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:32 am to Wednesday
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bc I do not see this action as some sort of endorsement of those two.
I suppose you're going to do the same with John Bolton and John McCain.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
John McCain?
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:36 am to Eurocat
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John McCain?
What we did last night was the dream of John McCain
Gemini Summary
Here's a summary of John McCain's comments in the video, including specific quotes and timestamps:
John McCain discussed the potential for intervention in Iran, stating that it might be "closer to reality than we might think" [00:09]. He elaborated on this by explaining that experts have varying opinions on Iran's progress in developing a nuclear weapon [00:16].
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Key points from his comments include:
Tipping Point for Nuclear Weapon Development: McCain mentioned that "many experts... say within two years they would reach a tipping point," meaning it would be inevitable for Iran to possess a nuclear weapon due to sufficient fissile material [00:23]. He clarified that this could involve "plutonium" [00:44].
Potential for Dangerous Scenarios: If Iran reaches this tipping point, McCain warned that it "could trigger of scenarios which could be very dangerous" [00:51].
Unacceptable for Iran to Have Nuclear Weapons: He reiterated that "this administration's policy and I agree with it that it is unacceptable for the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon," a stance shared by the Israelis [01:09].
Consultation with Congress on Military Action: When asked about consulting with Congress regarding intervention, McCain stated it "depended on the scenario" [01:38].
For "immediate action" due to urgent information, he emphasized the need to "adhere to your oath of office to support and defend the nation" [01:44].
However, if there is "sufficient warning period and sufficient advance information," he believes "you have to consult with Congress and you may even have to go to Congress for their approval" [01:51].
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:42 am to TrueTiger
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The main supplier being Israel, who I don't fully trust.
I don’t know if I trust them either, but can we trust our own intelligence? They’d never lie to the president right
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:42 am to Wednesday
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1-I didn’t want to get involved. And if it were me making the call- we wouldn’t have.
2-I voted for Trump bc I do trust him to make the right call. I always knew he didn’t want Iran to have a nuke. He made this no secret. So I’m not going to criticize. I’m just going to wait and see.
3- I did not vote for Netanyahu and I don’t trust him to make any calls, and I’m pissed that Trump thanked him. Whether I’m mad at Trump about this depends a lot on whether Israel truly acted unilaterally last week.
4-If the strikes were truly as successful as advertised, then Iran’s practical ability to retaliate is lessened and from what I’m reading preliminarily Iran is fairly isolated from its allies with respect to responding.
5- if truly as successful as advertised, Iran’s scary meanness is somewhat neutralized bc they can’t give a terrorist a nuke.
6-perhaps this means Iran knows that we were not bluffing re: Nukes and its politicians decide that it’s better for them politically to just go ahead and make peace, or else they will get kicked out of power. Maybe the orange man finds them a way to save face with their population and stay there, then the ayatollah dies of natural causes and Iran becomes liberated by these ppl who allegedly hates the regime.
I’m going to 9:30 mass and I’m going to pray for peace, for our President and our country
frick no Israel didn't act "unilaterally". Not in the sense this board wants to believe. Now they dropped the bombs "unilaterally" but anyone who believes the United States wasn't in on the planning of all this shite is frickin' kooky.
Israel didn't do this on a whim, or wing it in the hopes the United States would in some way help. President Trump and his administration was in on this from day one.
Go ahead man, you can get pissed.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:44 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:So?
Now they dropped the bombs "unilaterally" but anyone who believes the United States wasn't in on the planning of all this shite is frickin' kooky.
quote:No shite?
Israel didn't do this on a whim, or wing it in the hopes the United States would in some way help. President Trump and his administration was in on this from day one.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:45 am to Pandy Fackler
I certainly can see Israel doing this without consulting us.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:46 am to Wednesday
I agree with most of that.
I didn't want it but I'm on a couch in Florida.
Seems to me this was it for us as far as combat goes.
What Iran does next has always been a question with or without this nuclear site strike.
If it was thought in the scientific community that Israel could take them out we would not be here.
My gut says the west is trying to get the Iranian military to take out the Theocracy and make a deal. Otherwise we reset all this again in the next ten years.
I didn't want it but I'm on a couch in Florida.
Seems to me this was it for us as far as combat goes.
What Iran does next has always been a question with or without this nuclear site strike.
If it was thought in the scientific community that Israel could take them out we would not be here.
My gut says the west is trying to get the Iranian military to take out the Theocracy and make a deal. Otherwise we reset all this again in the next ten years.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:47 am to riverdiver
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Makes you realize the stakes, and what he knows. I’m guessing he’s heard there’s a current Iranian plot against him.
We won't find out for days, if we ever do because our media is anti-America, but i stand firm in my belief that there is way more than what we know. Trump isn't infallible, but when it comes to military action, he doesn't act like that unless his back against the wall.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:49 am to Bunk Moreland
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Whether you like it or not, a portion of Trump's support comes from people who hate Bush/Cheney, John McCain, John Bolton, and Lindsey Graham
And people who support Israel.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:51 am to blueboy
You forgot one.
2025. We crushed them
2025. We crushed them
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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suppose you're going to do the same with John Bolton and John McCain.
So you’re on a two day victory lap because Trump did something that Bolton and McCain would agree with?
McCain liked tax cuts too…so that makes Trump a neocon since he’s trying to pass one?
Very thin flex.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:58 am to SquatchDawg
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So you’re on a two day victory lap because Trump did something that Bolton and McCain would agree with?
In violation of a major plank of MAGA to many? Yes
I never believed the neocons left and were just lying and pretending to reject the philosophy. Many are proving me right during this Iran saga.
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Very thin flex.
As if McCain and Bolton weren't used as symbols of the neocon philosophy and became pariahs within MAGA with that symbolism
Posted on 6/22/25 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
You victory lapping at a possible boohoo day for MAGA types with all the huge events happening in the world says more about you than those you are trying to disparage and you can't even see what this shows you to be at heart.
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