This is 1859, we are seeing a dress rehearsal of what is to come

Right after George Floyd was killed I was criticized for starting a thread saying he could be the next John Brown. Unfortunately, every day it becomes closer to becoming true.

Could George Floyd be the next John Brown?

I love that movie series.

Will never happen.

One side is too fat to fight, other side is too pussy to fight.

It will be an endless sissy fight and argument for years to come.

Slavery was a contentious issue going back to the colonies. There was a divide between the North (Puritans) and the South (Cavaliers) on the issue for a long time before 1860. Besides that, there was an ideological divide on other issues between Virginia/Carolina and the North. The Southern settlers didn't much care for the New England Puritans as they had long standing religious divisions going back to Britain.

I suggest you read Albion's Seed by Fischer. The author goes into great detail about how British squabbles carried over into America with the colonists from various parts of Britain settling their own parts of America. For example, many of the Puritans came from East Anglia while many of the southern gentry originated from South England. Many of the Quakers came from the North Midlands.

Also keep in mind that when Britain was settling America they were in the middle of their own bloody Civil War (English Civil War). Cromwell vs. The King. About half of Britain was behind Cromwell, with about half behind the King. Many of the Cavaliers left England for Virginia when Cromwell took power. Make no mistake, this division carried over into America.

We are taught in school that the "Pilgrims" were the first colonists from Britain at Plymouth rock in 1620. What they don't usually tell you is Jamestown, VA was settled by 1607 (Or at least I wasn't taught that). I have heard it said that's because the history books are written by northern scholars who are favorable to the Puritans. It could also be because historians wanted to make America's founding ideological and not economical. The Puritans were ideological and left England because of religious persecution. The Cavaliers were simply men of means wanting to make a buck. Leaving for religious persecution is a much better story than some old baws wanting to open plantations. The truth is both happened.

So in a sense the left is right when they say "colonizers." Some of the Brits were indeed evil colonizers looking to make money, but it's much more complex than that. America, even when it was a British colony, was not unified. There were lots of differing opinions on everything from religion to politics and these divisions were usually geographical. Fischer's thesis is that this carried over all the way to the Civil War in 1860 and still persists to some degree today.

All in all Fischer's thesis teaches us that people forge their new surroundings into their old identity. America is no different.

I agree - and people’s who don’t defend their values die out. The Quakers are a good example of that.

I remember watching when I was a teenager, everyone was watching it back then...

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No. Their mistake was not regrouping and taking DC after First Manassas.

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Taking a capitol is very overrated. That would not have ended the war at all. The British took Philadelphia in 1777 and the British burned D.C. to the ground in 1814. Didn't stop Americans either time.

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It could also be because historians wanted to make America's founding ideological and not economical.

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All that is true but it really came down to a serious economic divide. The South was free trade but slave labor was the backbone of the economy. The North was protectionist of the budding industries in the industrial revolution. The North was becoming more heavily populated and the South was constantly losing the fight in the Congress

Watching videos from the stuff going on in Seattle, I saw an antifa type say he was a member of the John Brown gun club. Sounds like it is some form of lefty militia. Your observation seems pretty spot on.

Malcolm Gladwell talked about this in one of his books. They did an aggression test and southern students tended to have more aggression than their Yankee brethren. Like, by a statistically significant margin.

It's there. We just move slow until we don't.