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There are pockets where public schools are doing well
Posted by anc on 12/29/19 at 7:55 pm276
but public schools in general are a massive failure.
I just saw a local story on a high school basketball coach coaching against her daughter. This coach is at a poor, failing high school (Canton, Mississippi. The coach's daughter is at what is probably the best school in the state (St. Andrew's).
20 percent of public school teachers send their children to private school compared to 12 percent of the general population. One of the best stories I ever read about Trump is how when he was trying to overhaul a restaurant investment, he refused to listen to the high priced consultants - he brought in the wait staff and hostesses and asked them what was wrong.
We have to fix our public schools if we want a chance at fixing this nation. Its not only about political leanings of educators - we are poorly educating kids. I can barely interact with service industry workers anymore. They are so dumb.
I just saw a local story on a high school basketball coach coaching against her daughter. This coach is at a poor, failing high school (Canton, Mississippi. The coach's daughter is at what is probably the best school in the state (St. Andrew's).
20 percent of public school teachers send their children to private school compared to 12 percent of the general population. One of the best stories I ever read about Trump is how when he was trying to overhaul a restaurant investment, he refused to listen to the high priced consultants - he brought in the wait staff and hostesses and asked them what was wrong.
We have to fix our public schools if we want a chance at fixing this nation. Its not only about political leanings of educators - we are poorly educating kids. I can barely interact with service industry workers anymore. They are so dumb.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by JiminyCricket on 12/29/19 at 8:00 pm to anc
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We are poorly educating kids
No, people are failing at raising their children and we are seeing the results. I guarantee you the idiot service worker you have to deal with that can’t form a coherent thought has parents who are exactly the same. Education doesn’t help if the home doesn’t value it.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by ItNeverRains on 12/29/19 at 8:00 pm to anc
We have excellent public schools in Williamson County, TN but I can’t tell you why.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by viceman on 12/29/19 at 8:03 pm to ItNeverRains
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but I can’t tell you why.
I don't know but I will guess that you guys have a lower percentage of single parents.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by LSUconvert on 12/29/19 at 8:06 pm to ItNeverRains
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excellent public schools
By what metric are they excellent?
It’s pockets that are not in the inner cities. This is not rocket science, schools reflect the community in which they are located. People are scared of the truth and until we start stating facts we can’t address the problems.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by bigcatfish on 12/29/19 at 8:14 pm to anc
What determines if they are an excellent school or not?
Look at household income and that will tell you where public schools are doing well according to LDOE standards. I’m not saying I agree with LDOE standards but household income is a HUGE factor.
Look at household income and that will tell you where public schools are doing well according to LDOE standards. I’m not saying I agree with LDOE standards but household income is a HUGE factor.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by claremontrich on 12/29/19 at 8:18 pm to LSUconvert
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By what metric are they excellent?
Exactly:
By my unscientific reasons, I would assess:
1. percentage of students taking the SAT/ACT score
2. Average SAT/ACT
3. Number of students that have passed AP classes
4. number of national merit semifinalists
note I did not list anything about college matriculation or where they went....
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by bigcatfish on 12/29/19 at 8:20 pm to claremontrich
Your response reads a lot like LDOE standards.
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re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by MeatCleaverWeaver on 12/29/19 at 8:23 pm to claremontrich
Recently had an administrator explain how test scores can be manipulated - not cheating on the tests but control over which scores are submitted and/or who takes the tests. Heck, I can’t reiterate what all she said but it sounded good. Perhaps some of y’all in education could clean it up for me if this is accurate info.
You can also look at test scores per school district by demographic breakdown. That may tell a better tale of which systems are is better than looking at the gross averages for the schools.
You can also look at test scores per school district by demographic breakdown. That may tell a better tale of which systems are is better than looking at the gross averages for the schools.
This post was edited on 12/29 at 10:41 pm
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This is not rocket science, schools reflect the community in which they are located.
Correct
And for the same reason many Ivy League schools are terribly overrated. They're good because they get the cream of the crop.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by C on 12/29/19 at 8:35 pm to LSUconvert
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By what metric are they excellent?
Highest percent of student living in a 2 parent home.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by bigcatfish on 12/29/19 at 8:39 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Schools manipulate and cheat. For public schools in Louisiana it is all about accountability and getting the highest school performance score. I know of one school that would give a different ACT code to students based on the courses they had taken. Because of the school doing it like this, only the “smart” kids had their ACT scores reported. It really is a shame what is happening now because of accountability. You “target” certain students in a class because they scored in a certain range and you think you can move them to the next tier to get more points. What about the rest of the kids? I could talk for hours about this topic.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by Rock Floyd on 12/29/19 at 8:41 pm to anc
Can we get the demographics on these schools? Perhaps there is something there?
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by TigerMuskyFanMinneso on 12/29/19 at 8:44 pm to anc
This was not always the case!!. Public schools used to work. I am a 76 year old Air Force Brat, reared across the country in public schools through high school.....while there was some variance from VA to CA to IL to FL to OH to LA, my parents (both LSU grads with Master's degrees) felt I was getting well taught. So did I and ended up at MIT and graduated well,solidly in the middle of my class....and I could both write well and do mathproblems
What changed was local control of the schools began to be removed in the 70's and ever increasing Federal and State regulation drove out any notion of serving the needs of the students and fulfilling parents' views and feedback of what should be taught. Education became a poor laboratory for social change and the purpose of education forgotten.
The quality of the product diminished as teachers' unions focused on protecting the teachers and teaching students only to raise the test scores (not very successfully!!) More money was spent on administrators - not teachers - and wasted dollar after wasted dollar produced nothing except increased payrolls.
Just as the nationalization of banking destroyed the quality of the banker - bank - depositor relationship, the nationalization of education has destroyed the quality of the teacher - school -student relationship
Even the quality of private schools has diminished but goes un noticed as they compare so favorably to our rotting public educators.
What changed was local control of the schools began to be removed in the 70's and ever increasing Federal and State regulation drove out any notion of serving the needs of the students and fulfilling parents' views and feedback of what should be taught. Education became a poor laboratory for social change and the purpose of education forgotten.
The quality of the product diminished as teachers' unions focused on protecting the teachers and teaching students only to raise the test scores (not very successfully!!) More money was spent on administrators - not teachers - and wasted dollar after wasted dollar produced nothing except increased payrolls.
Just as the nationalization of banking destroyed the quality of the banker - bank - depositor relationship, the nationalization of education has destroyed the quality of the teacher - school -student relationship
Even the quality of private schools has diminished but goes un noticed as they compare so favorably to our rotting public educators.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by mgdtiger on 12/29/19 at 9:02 pm to TigerMuskyFanMinneso
It is real simple. As others have pointed out it is all about the home life in general. I am a teacher. Started at an inner city school and had 40% of the kids pass the state mandated test(above average for district and highest for non magnet school in district). I go to a suburb district and have 94% pass. I didn’t change a thing other than I probably put in less effort because I am not having to do tutorials all the time.
Had a parent teacher conference with a group of teachers with a problem student. One teacher told the single mom she should raise him better. She jumped on him and said it is our job while he is at school and she only takes care of his behavior at home. The kid should be a senior in hs but I am sure he is a dropout and has spent many days in jail for dealing and robbery.
There needs to be some sort of awakening or I believe some areas of the country are just too far gone.
On the flip side I also think we baby kids to much with accommodations and modifications to teaching or the curriculum. Too many helicopter parents and now moved to lawnmower parents. I can’t lecture more than 10 minutes at a time or I am a bad teacher. We wanted to catch up to countries doing a better job but it seems we have regressed as opposed to gain. I worry about the future of some of these kids
Had a parent teacher conference with a group of teachers with a problem student. One teacher told the single mom she should raise him better. She jumped on him and said it is our job while he is at school and she only takes care of his behavior at home. The kid should be a senior in hs but I am sure he is a dropout and has spent many days in jail for dealing and robbery.
There needs to be some sort of awakening or I believe some areas of the country are just too far gone.
On the flip side I also think we baby kids to much with accommodations and modifications to teaching or the curriculum. Too many helicopter parents and now moved to lawnmower parents. I can’t lecture more than 10 minutes at a time or I am a bad teacher. We wanted to catch up to countries doing a better job but it seems we have regressed as opposed to gain. I worry about the future of some of these kids
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by RogerTheShrubber on 12/29/19 at 9:15 pm to anc
It's time to destroy the current education model. It's a huge waste of money considering the return.
Start splitting kids at an early age by aptitude
Start splitting kids at an early age by aptitude
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by MeatCleaverWeaver on 12/29/19 at 9:36 pm to bigcatfish
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I know of one school that would give a different ACT code to students based on the courses they had taken. Because of the school doing it like this, only the “smart” kids had their ACT scores reported.
That’s it. That’s exactly what she explained to me. Thanks for clarifying.
re: There are pockets where public schools are doing wellPosted by supatigah on 12/29/19 at 9:48 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
We moved to Houston in June 2013
We chose Katy because of KISD and we chose Tompkins HS because it was new
Both my kids went to catholic school in LA up to 8th and both thrived in the public HS
Great schools link
This area is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class, predominantly two parents, college educated
The demos are pretty diverse, everything starts in the home, the schools are reflections of the community they serve
We chose Katy because of KISD and we chose Tompkins HS because it was new
Both my kids went to catholic school in LA up to 8th and both thrived in the public HS
Great schools link
This area is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class, predominantly two parents, college educated
The demos are pretty diverse, everything starts in the home, the schools are reflections of the community they serve
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