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The SAT 'Adversity' Score
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:55 am
Schools seek out metrics by which to rack and stack applicants in order to achieve 'goals'. 'Goals' are really quotas but they can't say quotas or they will get sued.
Ultimately this will disadvantage middle class kids.
NYT's article on SAT 'Adversity' Score
"The College Board, the company that administers the SAT exam taken by about two million students a year, will for the first time assess students not just on their math and verbal skills, but also on their educational and socioeconomic backgrounds, entering a fraught battle over the fairness of high-stakes testing.
The company announced on Thursday that it will include a new rating, which is widely being referred to as an “adversity score,” of between 1 and 100 on students’ test results. An average score is 50, and higher numbers mean more disadvantage. The score will be calculated using 15 factors, including the relative quality of the student’s high school and the crime rate and poverty level of the student’s neighborhood.
The rating will not affect students’ test scores, and will be reported only to college admissions officials as part of a larger package of data on each test taker."
Ultimately this will disadvantage middle class kids.
NYT's article on SAT 'Adversity' Score
"The College Board, the company that administers the SAT exam taken by about two million students a year, will for the first time assess students not just on their math and verbal skills, but also on their educational and socioeconomic backgrounds, entering a fraught battle over the fairness of high-stakes testing.
The company announced on Thursday that it will include a new rating, which is widely being referred to as an “adversity score,” of between 1 and 100 on students’ test results. An average score is 50, and higher numbers mean more disadvantage. The score will be calculated using 15 factors, including the relative quality of the student’s high school and the crime rate and poverty level of the student’s neighborhood.
The rating will not affect students’ test scores, and will be reported only to college admissions officials as part of a larger package of data on each test taker."
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:55 am to geauxgauthier
Wakanda forever
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:57 am to geauxgauthier
We talked about this yesterday but one question I wonder about is where exactly are they going to get the info about the parents’ income?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:58 am to geauxgauthier
Just another example why SAT scores never improve. None of what is being proposed will improve a students scores but gives them a pass. How much depends on sympathy versus merit.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:58 am to geauxgauthier
quote:
The score will be calculated using 15 factors, including the relative quality of the student’s high school and the crime rate and poverty level of the student’s neighborhood.
I know this sounds crazy. But it’s better than the current affirmative action system. Which is ripe for abuse.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:00 am to geauxgauthier
oops, I did a search and did not see this topic, you posted this as I was composing mine after my search
great minds think alike...
great minds think alike...
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:00 am to geauxgauthier
This data could actually be useful.
A student who scores a 30 while growing up in Southside Chicago is an impressive individual and is demonstrating perseverance.
Of course, this will likely be used to hurt students with proper childhoods in all likelihood
A student who scores a 30 while growing up in Southside Chicago is an impressive individual and is demonstrating perseverance.
Of course, this will likely be used to hurt students with proper childhoods in all likelihood
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:00 am to tigerskin
Most schools require FAFSA applications as part of the admissions process. This tells them what your income and assets are since it's pulling information of your previous year's tax returns.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:00 am to geauxgauthier
Yes, I want to drive over a bridge, fly on an airplane, or be operated on, by one of these people.
That's all that matters to me. Yay
That's all that matters to me. Yay
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:02 am to tigerskin
quote:they are going to give by averages for your area
where exactly are they going to get the info about the parents’ income?
so, you could be fairly well off, but live in a crappy area and get the benefit
or, you could be poor, but live in a wealthy area, and not be helped by this
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:03 am to geauxgauthier
Punish success.
Reward failure.
Everybody gets a participation trophy.
It’s the liberal way.
Reward failure.
Everybody gets a participation trophy.
It’s the liberal way.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:03 am to geauxgauthier
What seems to be overlooked in this discussion is that the current “raw,” hard numbers will still be provided. The Board is just providing “extra” information. Colleges and Universities that want to use hard data can use hard data, and those that want to use the soft numbers will have that data available as well. Or maybe some combination.
Why is “more data” worse than “less data?”
Why is “more data” worse than “less data?”
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:05 am to geauxgauthier
quote:
The rating will not affect students’ test scores, and will be reported only to college admissions officials as part of a larger package of data on each test taker."
I'm going to put my address in east New Orleans when my kid takes the SAT
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:08 am to geauxgauthier
The communist Chinese have a cultural score too that rewards preferred citizens others
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:15 am to joshnorris14
quote:
This data could actually be useful.
My initial thought as well, especially if used as tiebreaker btw students with similar test scores but vastly different upbringings.
My main concern though is colleges putting too much emphasis on this adversity data.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:18 am to AggieHank86
"Why is “more data” worse than “less data?”
Fair question and you are correct in that it really depends on the institution and how they intend to leverage and represent data queries across SAT, high school GPA, FAFAS, essays, etc. into a final decision on whether or not to accept an applicant. Different schools will have different value systems.
I'd offer that if we were in world by which the kid took the SAT and the only thing that was reported was their score (like it used to be!) then that gives a very objective assessment. However, we aren't in that world and the more you allow 'other' factors to creep into College Board's presentation of a students SAT assessment under the auspices of 'more data' you will disadvantage the middle class. College Board is not going to let students know their score as per the article. Why is this? College Board is protecting themselves from law suits.
I will agree with you that schools can choose to ignore or embrace this new data provided by a student.
Fair question and you are correct in that it really depends on the institution and how they intend to leverage and represent data queries across SAT, high school GPA, FAFAS, essays, etc. into a final decision on whether or not to accept an applicant. Different schools will have different value systems.
I'd offer that if we were in world by which the kid took the SAT and the only thing that was reported was their score (like it used to be!) then that gives a very objective assessment. However, we aren't in that world and the more you allow 'other' factors to creep into College Board's presentation of a students SAT assessment under the auspices of 'more data' you will disadvantage the middle class. College Board is not going to let students know their score as per the article. Why is this? College Board is protecting themselves from law suits.
I will agree with you that schools can choose to ignore or embrace this new data provided by a student.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:21 am to geauxgauthier
So now the peak performers will get in and the failures who check the right boxes will get in, screwing the people who fall just below the peak performers.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:23 am to geauxgauthier
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“adversity score,”
Code for Affirmative Action. Any University which uses this phony bs should be hauled into Federal Court.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:24 am to Damone
"So now the peak performers will get in and the failures who check the right boxes will get in, screwing the people who fall just below the peak performers."
You summarized in one sentence my precise thought. Thank you, sir!
You summarized in one sentence my precise thought. Thank you, sir!
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:26 am to geauxgauthier
Lower the standards to be more inclusive. Feelings are more important than actual results
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