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The Safety of Covid 19 Vaccinations
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:40 am
Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:40 am
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The last statement is overkill and the authors got an “Expression of concern” for it.
LINK
Eh. They aren’t unlinked to the vaccination efforts. They may not be caused by the vaccination.
The 16,000 vaccinations to prevent one Covid death was pretty interesting to me.
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Result: The NNTV is between 200–700 to prevent one case of COVID-19 for the mRNA vaccine marketed by Pfizer, while the NNTV to prevent one death is between 9000 and 50,000 (95% confidence interval), with 16,000 as a point estimate. The number of cases experiencing adverse reactions has been reported to be 700 per 100,000 vaccinations. Currently, we see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations. For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination.
The last statement is overkill and the authors got an “Expression of concern” for it.
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Abstract: “For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination”. Stating that these deaths linked to vaccination efforts is incorrect and distorted.
Eh. They aren’t unlinked to the vaccination efforts. They may not be caused by the vaccination.
The 16,000 vaccinations to prevent one Covid death was pretty interesting to me.
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 7:51 am to the808bass
Follow the science. I'll take my chances without the jab.
Intresting post.
Intresting post.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:07 am to the808bass
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Eh. They aren’t unlinked to the vaccination efforts. They may not be caused by the vaccination.
Yet they have no problem saying a person who died WITH Covid, unequivocally died FROM Covid.
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16,000 vaccinations to prevent one Covid death was pretty interesting to me.
It would be interesting to know how these numbers compared with other vaccines like MMR and Polio.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:21 am to the808bass
Thanks for the links. A number of “studies” and subsequent social and other media reports are based on the misuse of self-reported data. Posting this just to add to the conversation:
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:39 am to the808bass
quote:This falls under the old "figures don't lie, but liars figure" premise.
Abstract: Background: COVID-19 vaccines have had expedited reviews without sufficient safety
data. We wanted to compare risks and benefits. Method: We calculated the number needed to
vaccinate (NNTV) from a large Israeli field study to prevent one death. We accessed the Adverse
Drug Reactions (ADR) database of the European Medicines Agency and of the Dutch National
Register (lareb.nl) to extract the number of cases reporting severe side effects and the number of cases
with fatal side effects. Result: The NNTV is between 200–700 to prevent one case of COVID-19 for the
mRNA vaccine marketed by Pfizer, while the NNTV to prevent one death is between 9000 and 50,000
(95% confidence interval), with 16,000 as a point estimate. The number of cases experiencing adverse
reactions has been reported to be 700 per 100,000 vaccinations. Currently, we see 16 serious side effects
per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations. For three
deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination. Conclusions: This
lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.
The authors' claim is that between 200–700 vaccinated patients are required to prevent one case of COVID-19 within the population. Yet we know 70% population immunity virtually eliminates endemic viral spread.
So on the one hand 70% population immunity knocks the disease out --- i.e., translated to the Pfizer vax, and assuming no preexisting immunity (which is obviously overly conservative) 73% of a population vaccinated would accomplish herd immunity.
Yet the authors claim requisite vaccination for population immunity is not 73%, but rather something between 99.5% and 99.9% of the population. Obviously that conclusion is an absurdity.
As you note, they also attach validity to associated unfettered post-vax complaints, rather than verified side effects.
So they screwed the pooch badly in a couple of areas. That's why MDPI pulled the article (your links now connect to a "notice of concern", rather than the paper)
Here is a link to the original paper
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:54 am to the808bass
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the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations.
Imagine entering Tiger Stadium on a Saturday with 100,000 fans knowing 4 people would die at the game.
Odds are in your favor, but still....
Posted on 6/30/21 at 8:56 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:01 am to the808bass
And what if, again, they’re fudging these numbers(and they are) like they have constantly been shown doing?
What if there’s a higher % dying of vaccine vs COVID
If I had to bet and the true numbers were told, I’d bet more are dying from the vaccine
What if there’s a higher % dying of vaccine vs COVID
If I had to bet and the true numbers were told, I’d bet more are dying from the vaccine
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:02 am to NC_Tigah
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So on the one hand 70% population immunity knocks the disease out
But they are not immune. They can still contract the wuhan, it's just going to be less extreme, hopefully.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:05 am to Lakebound
quote:That is simply false. Sorry. Double blinded PRS's involving thousands of patients speak to invalidity of the claim.
Things not being offered to take the Covid jab:
Peer reviewed studies proving its safety and efficacy.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:11 am to Bulldogblitz
quote:Yes, they are immune.
But they are not immune. They can still contract the wuhan
A virus is a virus.
Epidemiological principals don't change simply because the name Covid-19 is attached.
Contraction of Covid confers immunity just as with measles or smallpox. This is neither new or novel science.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:41 am to NC_Tigah
It’s all BS from any and all directions. Bottom line is
1. if you are concerned about covid 19 and an ADULT then get the vaccine. If you are not then don’t but accept the responsibility.
2. People under 18 should not be getting the vaccine bc they are at virtually no risk from the disease and they should be able to make that decision for themselves as an ADULT if they want it. Any risk associated with the vaccine to young people is not worth the “protection” you are getting from the vaccine.
3. If you’ve already had Covid then there really is no need to get the vaccine.
1. if you are concerned about covid 19 and an ADULT then get the vaccine. If you are not then don’t but accept the responsibility.
2. People under 18 should not be getting the vaccine bc they are at virtually no risk from the disease and they should be able to make that decision for themselves as an ADULT if they want it. Any risk associated with the vaccine to young people is not worth the “protection” you are getting from the vaccine.
3. If you’ve already had Covid then there really is no need to get the vaccine.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:52 am to NC_Tigah
OK, what about point No. 2?
Does liability exist anywhere for the jab?
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Liability when something goes wrong
Does liability exist anywhere for the jab?
Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:54 am to FATBOY TIGER
quote:My wife (no pics) and I recently spent 3 nights in Nashville, and we didn't wear masks. We took Uber rides, and our drivers did not wear masks. We rode a bus from our hotel to The Grand Ole Opry House. The bus was full of people with only a handful of them wearing masks. The Opry House was packed with very few mask wearers. We went to Broadway Street honkytonks packed with patrons not wearing mask. With all of those opportunities to be exposed to COVID-19, neither of us got the China-Virus.
I'll take my chances without the jab.
Maybe we have super immune systems. Maybe it's the extra zinc and vitamin D that we've been taking for the last year. Maybe we've already had it without knowing it. Maybe it's my O- blood.
Anyway, I too will continue to take my chances without the jab.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:57 am to CasualBystander
do I upvote or downvote the op?
Is the data consistent and accurate or just numbers thrown together subject to argument (like original covid numbers)
I could put TLDR as I'm not clicking and reading the links.
Someone teach me. btw, I dont have my vax card so dont turn me in...
Is the data consistent and accurate or just numbers thrown together subject to argument (like original covid numbers)
I could put TLDR as I'm not clicking and reading the links.
Someone teach me. btw, I dont have my vax card so dont turn me in...
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