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The real reason(s) lumber prices are up and climbing

Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:07 pm
1. 90% of the wood used to build US houses comes from Canada and the Pacific Northwest.

2. Canadian timber harvest is controlled by the government. Annual Allowable Cut (AAC)

3. A few years ago, the Canadian gov opened up a lot of woodlands for harvest due to pine beetles. They wanted to get the wood while it was still useable and avoid the fire risk.
This created a glut of lumber. Some stores still have this blue stained lumber.
So even though demand was up, so was supply...prices remained flat.

4. The only lumber brokers to survive The Great Recession were those who were inherently conservative. These are the ones who hold cash reserves and avoid too much supply.

5. In 2016, the Canadian government reduced the AAC. This devastated the Canadian timber industry and many mills shut down by 2019.

6. It takes 50-70 years for a Canadian tree to be ready for harvest.

7. Pine from the southern US is good for pulp products but not so great for building. It tends to be wet, heavy, prone to twist, and causes a lot of worksite waste.

We’re seeing a perfect storm of low supply of raw lumber, much fewer mills to produce the cut lumber, conservative brokers who don’t buy stocks (futures) to last beyond 30-60 days, slow regeneration of the trees, and a much increased demand due to a housing shortage based on the low density housing standard we enjoy in the US.

Typically, high prices fixes high prices...but this hasn’t been the case. This is leading many to believe timber has long been underpriced. This is a direct result of the Canadian pine beetle glut.

The supply side won’t be corrected anytime soon, because the cut isn’t available. When supply eventually does catch up, prices will NEVER go back down to 2019 levels.

In the meantime, builders are shifting to OSB alternatives such as foam board and metal trusses, and existing home prices are climbing into the stratosphere.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146498 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:11 pm to
so the Canadian rumor is true...

why do our trees suck and Canada's don't?
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:12 pm to
Grain density.
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
4425 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:17 pm to
Thank you for the information. That being said, can you point to something that supports your statements? This is first time I've heard that Canada's supply (or lack thereof) is the cause of the ridiculous prices we're seeing.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16369 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

Pine from the southern US is good for pulp products but not so great for building. It tends to be wet, heavy, prone to twist, and causes a lot of worksite waste


Loblolly? Long leaf? Slash? All the aforementioned?
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18893 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

metal trusses


Was always interested in doing a metal framed house.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:24 pm to
Spruce is simply a better building product.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22206 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:29 pm to
How will this impact the housing market in the medium (5 years) and long term (10+)? Even with the impending end to moritoroums on foreclosures and evictions, will this keep prices and demand sky high?
Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3487 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:31 pm to
We built our house 20 years ago. We cut the trees off of our land, had a guy bring in a portable band saw to cut the trees into boards and then we air dried them for about 5 months. Lumber was great to work with, easy to nail into, didn't splinter. Our trees were southern long leaf pines and some old nasty field pines. It is the quick drying in the kiln that causes the issues.

Word of advice: it shrinks very little so cut your lumber true. I cut ours to 2x4, 2x6, etc instead of 1 1/2x3 1/2". Causes problems when insertsing doors, windows, etc.
Posted by Marquesa
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2020
1529 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:31 pm to
Saw a neighborhood going up being framed with aluminum. Is wood so high that aluminum is now competitive?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
45975 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:36 pm to
I’m more concerned about my favorite Chinese restaurant jacking prices 20% this past week. If someone tells you inflation isn’t a problem they’re not paying the bills.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
26121 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:42 pm to
Bald cypress is excellent timber, but the recovery price is just prohibitive
Posted by MAEFIELD
Member since Jan 2018
259 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:44 pm to
In an odd twist of diverging markets, the southern tree farmer is seeing none of this boom market...indeed, it has been very frustrating as a tree farmer to watch lumber prices soar and price for saw logs (pines or hardwoods) remain constant.

Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Is wood so high that aluminum is now competitive?


Yes

And some things just aren’t in supply (OSB).
Posted by Northshoretiger87
Member since Apr 2016
3667 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:47 pm to
Trying to get some pines down in my yard. Do you think a tree company would come out for free on my end given the price of lumbar?
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 3:48 pm to
For some pines?
Probably not.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
45975 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 4:00 pm to
They’re cutting a shite load of hardwood in MO right now. A lot of Oak, walnut, hickory and sycamore.
Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
795 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 4:05 pm to
Bush’s free trade agreement destroyed the southern timber industry. Mills shut down and take time to replace. Hopefully some will come back because I have 60 acres of pines to help with my retirement.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Member since Oct 2019
5901 posts
Posted on 5/3/21 at 4:07 pm to
Luckily for me, my house is built from the ancient cypress trees, (over 500 years old), that used to be around here. Built in 1918 for the guy that took care of the mules and sharpened the blades for the mill. They must have liked him because it is square all around with rough cut tongue and groove floors, walls, ceiling and roof.
Always said I could tear it down and make a fortune on just the timber alone. Maybe the time is right, now.
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