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re: The medical examiner who just testified was devastating to the prosecution
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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In someone with otherwise normal anatomy, you would expect soft tissue damage if someone were compressing the neck from the back to the extent that it caused airway compromise. You can do it but not without seriously damaging the anatomical structures in the neck. If there’s any argument to be made for pressure causing respiratory compromise, it would be from thoracic compression impeding the ability of his chest to expand. The knee on his neck is really a red herring, medically speaking. That’s not what killed him regardless of how he died.
Exactly. It’s not a complicated idea either.
The medical examiner stated very clearly today that the knee did not cause asphyxiation. We are quickly eliminating possibilities.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
You’re 100% correct however it’s obvious they have no intention of giving Chauvin a fair trial. It’s in Minneapolis and the jury is not sequestered. No way these jurors are not fearful of what might come to their families with a not guilty verdict. It’s a disgrace what our country is these days. That defense attorney destroyed the medical examiner today and put an enormous amount of reasonable doubt on this case but it won’t matter.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 6:58 am to roadGator
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Hey commie, how much weight was on Floyd’s shoulder?
Enough.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:05 am to Zarkinletch416
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Welcome to Joe Biden's America.
This all went down during the Trump administration.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:05 am to Roger Klarvin
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Murder 3 in Minnesota is what is known as “depraved heart murder”, which I don’t see applying to this case at all.
I agree that is what it is intended to cover, but the language is broad enough that it could apply here. It is any act "eminently dangerous to others. And with a depraved mind." Depraved mind just means a lack of regard for human life. I think the jury could get there.
Plus, the Judge already tossed Murder 3 as inapplicable, but the appellate court reinstated the charge saying it could apply in this case. So, if the jury convicts on that charge I think it will hold up.
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 7:16 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 8:26 am to xxTIMMYxx
Wrong. And since it became (literally) painfully obvious that Floyd was impaired, Derek Chauvin had a moral obligation to modify his level of restraint.
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 8:30 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 8:33 am to Dday63
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"depraved heart murder"
Simply the depraved look on Chauvin's face during the cruel event seems sufficient to uphold that standard.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:01 am to Diamondawg
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The paid ones or the real ones?
Well you generally don't get to be paid an expert pulmonologist unless you are a "real" pulmonologist. But if it makes you feel better, Tobin was paid for his testimony. I'm sure that changes everything for you.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:05 am to tarzana
GF had a moral obligation not to be a complete piece of shite criminal.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:19 am to tarzana
quote:Regardless, Floyd was a dead man walking when he swallowed that load of fentanyl to avoid getting caught with it.
Wrong. And since it became (literally) painfully obvious that Floyd was impaired, Derek Chauvin had a moral obligation to modify his level of restraint.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:27 am to xxTIMMYxx
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a healthy, sober person wouldn't have died from all that.
most healthy, sober persons know how to stay out of all that. Passing counterfeit twenties (which the media denied at one time) may have had something to do with it as well.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:29 am to longwayfromLA
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Well you generally don't get to be paid an expert pulmonologist unless you are a "real" pulmonologist. But if it makes you feel better, Tobin was paid for his testimony. I'm sure that changes everything for you.
Yeah, it does. Why would the prosecution pay a doctor to say he disagrees with their case?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:29 am to tduecen
quote:No he isn’t. He may be convicted (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) of a lesser charge, but he is not going to jail for life.
Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:30 am to longwayfromLA
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Virtual impossible? Did you miss yesterday? The prosecution brought on pulmonologist spent a number of hours making that argument in detail. Perhaps your medical expertise takes you a different direction, but the argument was certainly made.
Was this the one that said because he was prone, he was certain to die?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:31 am to tarzana
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Wrong. And since it became (literally) painfully obvious that Floyd was impaired, Derek Chauvin had a moral obligation to modify his level of restraint.
Impaired, but you need to prove Chauvin knew he was literally dying.
In fact, the prosecution needs to prove that the restraint WAS the cause of death BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
So far, any reasonable person has reasonable doubt. Which is, at least for now, the legal standard for convictions in criminal cases.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:35 am to BiteMe2020
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In fact, the prosecution needs to prove that the restraint WAS the cause of death BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
I think the standard is significant factor.
The prosecution stumbled around this until Dr Woke declared laughably that a completely healthy man would have died.
We'll see what defense witnesses say.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:43 am to Roger Klarvin
Out of curiosity, isn’t the arresting officer responsible for the arrestee’s life once they are handcuffed and in custody?
If the person dies while in custody and the officer showed neglect for human life, that could be a crime, no?
You cannot expect Chauvin to know Floyd had a bad ticker. But we do expect Chauvin to be attentive to the person’s state and act accordingly. Not just carry on as if the person is not in medical distress, as they pass out while literally in your hands.
Possible that Chauvin’s knowledge that EMS had been notified absolves him of neglect.
If the person dies while in custody and the officer showed neglect for human life, that could be a crime, no?
You cannot expect Chauvin to know Floyd had a bad ticker. But we do expect Chauvin to be attentive to the person’s state and act accordingly. Not just carry on as if the person is not in medical distress, as they pass out while literally in your hands.
Possible that Chauvin’s knowledge that EMS had been notified absolves him of neglect.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:49 am to LightMerchant
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the person dies while in custody and the officer showed neglect for human life, that could be a crime, no?
Seeing as how Chauvin didn't show neglect your questions have no bearing on this case.
Floyd asked NUMEROUS times what he was on.
Floyd begged to be put on ground.
Floyd panicked and ate his pills.
Police called for medical help more than once.
So a better question is why aren't we pointing out the lack of personal accountability.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:00 am to SOSFAN
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Seeing as how Chauvin didn't show neglect your questions have no bearing on this case.
That is an opinion, is it not?
Not saying it is wrong. But the jurors may be of different opinion. They could, COULD, find that the evidence supports a finding of neglect. More than one person has interpreted Chauvin’s demeanor / behavior as indifferent.
Don’t be surprised if he is convicted on manslaughter.
“Duty of Care”:
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This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:01 am to LightMerchant
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You cannot expect Chauvin to know Floyd had a bad ticker. But we do expect Chauvin to be attentive to the person’s state and act accordingly. Not just carry on as if the person is not in medical distress, as they pass out while literally in your hands.
It's fair but it's complicated by Floyd's repeated resisting of arrest at all times that he wasn't prone.
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