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re: The House takes up the Republican replacement bill for OCare| Video | C-SPAN *LIVE STREAM*
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:14 pm to dantes69
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:14 pm to dantes69
quote:
my wife and I, both 59, live on a fixed income, after our last child was born, 27 years ago today, she had her tubes tied so we didn't have to worry about getting pregnant again, please tell me why we have to pay for birth control under O-Care.
Why should she have to subsidize prostate cancer treatment?
Why should you be covering other policy holders chemo? You don't have cancer?
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Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:14 pm to HeavyCore
Wrong. I want prices to fall as much as possible.
Look up Surgery Centers of Oklahoma.
Look up Surgery Centers of Oklahoma.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:15 pm to WorkinDawg
quote:I made a thread once, back in the day, explaining that health care was socialized in 1986 when EMTALA was passed and every health care "reform" that has been proposed or implemented since then is mostly a series of fights where various interest groups try and pass the buck to each other for uncompensated care. That's what PPACA was, that's what AHCA is, and same with whatever will come next.
Except that everyone already had that right. A hospital cannot refuse treatment based on ability to pay. That was already law.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:15 pm to bonhoeffer45
remember, this is only the first step, we have 2 more to go, if all 3 can get passed it should be a lot better. If not, not much better.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:15 pm to HeavyCore
What part of skyrocketing premiums dont you understand? Ocare is already pricing people out. Repeat baseless democratic scare tactics less and think for yourself.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:15 pm to cajunangelle
This vote will give the Dems the house after the 2018 election. Even if the Senate makes it better
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:15 pm to ChopBlockOclock
quote:
They needed to take some more time to correct this in my opinion
My point though is that the GOP WANTS higher deductibles. They see it as a feature, not a bug.
They will lie publicly because they know high deductibles don't poll well, but they actually believe that high deductibles are a good thing.
Its based on a logic that empirical research has not shown efficacy of. At least not in how they sell it to themselves.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:18 pm to dantes69
quote:
remember, this is only the first step, we have 2 more to go, if all 3 can get passed it should be a lot better. If not, not much better.
Ah yes, the magic steps 2 and 3.
What are they? Its a mystery, but you will love it, trust us!!
How many more times will you let yourself get duped by the GOP?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:21 pm to ChopBlockOclock
quote:
This is about affordabilty which is something Ocare does not address.
This doesn't do anything about healthcare costs which are the real reason for insurance being so expensive. Your premiums wont go down.
quote:
Obamacare is no better if those who want it cant afford it because of skyrocketing premiums.
Remember the days prior to Obamacare? Your premiums were skyrocketing then too.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:23 pm to Haughton99
Right. My point is none of this is working. Especially Ocare.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:25 pm to MizzouBS
No it won't
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:27 pm to bonhoeffer45
1) Tens of millions of people losing healthcare
2) Premiums and deductibles going up (LINK
3) Insurers being allowed to charge whatever they want for pre-existing conditions ($100k+ for cancer, $15k+ if you're pregnant, etc.) (You've got a 40% chance of getting cancer too! LINK
4) Employers will be able to buy shitty plans with laughable lifetime limits, screwing their employees (LINK
5) Gigantic cuts to Medicaid
6) Cuts to Special Ed (LINK
7) They're voting for it without a CBO score (knowing that this bill affects 1/6 of the entire economy directly), because they know it's horrible.
8) They're voting for it without any public hearings
9) They're voting for it without the full text of the bill being public
10) The bill they're voting for is taking away $1 trillion from healthcare to pay for a tax cut to the wealthy
This sounds great!
2) Premiums and deductibles going up (LINK
3) Insurers being allowed to charge whatever they want for pre-existing conditions ($100k+ for cancer, $15k+ if you're pregnant, etc.) (You've got a 40% chance of getting cancer too! LINK
4) Employers will be able to buy shitty plans with laughable lifetime limits, screwing their employees (LINK
5) Gigantic cuts to Medicaid
6) Cuts to Special Ed (LINK
7) They're voting for it without a CBO score (knowing that this bill affects 1/6 of the entire economy directly), because they know it's horrible.
8) They're voting for it without any public hearings
9) They're voting for it without the full text of the bill being public
10) The bill they're voting for is taking away $1 trillion from healthcare to pay for a tax cut to the wealthy
This sounds great!
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:28 pm to ChopBlockOclock
I don't know that this bill will do anything to address skyrocketing premiums, because the incentives are still screwed up. In the regular pools they're still touting this 30% surcharge which means that an economically rational consumer who is expecting to stay healthy for at least three months or more is better off not buying insurance until they're sick because the savings will outweigh the surcharge. So there will still be a death spiral. Only now there will be high-risk pools giving the insurance companies an obvious fix: be even stricter on preexisting conditions than you were before the ACA because now high-risk pools make everyone else the government's problem.
This particularly irritates me because I have a mild preexisting condition. Pre-PPACA I could get insurance, I just had to pay a manageable surcharge, which I didn't resent since I'm not a child and understand how insurance works. If this were just a clean PPACA repeal I could go back to that and be fairly satisfied.
But under the AHCA, insurers will have to massively jack up the surcharges or expand the number of conditions that are auto-denied because the AHCA doesn't fix the PPACA death spirals. Meaning I'll likely have to either go without insurance or be shunted into one of these high-risk-pools with the junkies and the stage 4 cancer patients.
This particularly irritates me because I have a mild preexisting condition. Pre-PPACA I could get insurance, I just had to pay a manageable surcharge, which I didn't resent since I'm not a child and understand how insurance works. If this were just a clean PPACA repeal I could go back to that and be fairly satisfied.
But under the AHCA, insurers will have to massively jack up the surcharges or expand the number of conditions that are auto-denied because the AHCA doesn't fix the PPACA death spirals. Meaning I'll likely have to either go without insurance or be shunted into one of these high-risk-pools with the junkies and the stage 4 cancer patients.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:29 pm to Iosh
What's the vote count at?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:30 pm to finchmeister08
quote:I think they've got the votes. I'm seeing that some of the people they flipped last night are flipping back which means that the leadership is probably handing out hall passes to reps in vulnerable districts. I expect this to pass by 3-4 votes max since they will want to minimize exposure.
What's the vote count at?
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:32 pm to MizzouBS
quote:
This vote will give the Dems the house after the 2018 election. Even if the Senate makes it better
bullshite.
Not a single person that supported the ACA voted for Trump. They all voted for Hillary. It won't change a damned thing.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:34 pm to Haughton99
The posts in here defending OCare; under the guise of people being ticked off at republicans because of Speaker Ryan blowing smoke-- is not working. It is ridiculous. I can call out the republicans and democrats.
Why can't democrats and fake moderates just be intellectually honest and admit that ObamaCare is absolutely imploding and a train wreck. Aetna dumped them when was it today?
Is there any insurance company still in ObamaCare? It is imploding.
Anything is better than the current ObamaCare. It will save the health market from collapse.
And I have always wanted to say this to TigerDev especially...
We have to pass it to see what's in it. So suck it, democrats
Why can't democrats and fake moderates just be intellectually honest and admit that ObamaCare is absolutely imploding and a train wreck. Aetna dumped them when was it today?
Is there any insurance company still in ObamaCare? It is imploding.
Anything is better than the current ObamaCare. It will save the health market from collapse.
And I have always wanted to say this to TigerDev especially...
We have to pass it to see what's in it. So suck it, democrats
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:35 pm to udtiger
What is Pelosi rambling about?
She quoted the religious organizations and Dr King, yet rejects religion.
Medicaid and Medicare need to be reduced.
She quoted the religious organizations and Dr King, yet rejects religion.
Medicaid and Medicare need to be reduced.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:35 pm to udtiger
quote:I wouldn't be too sure of this. There's a fairly consistent 10-20 point gap in public opinion depending on whether people are polled about "Obamacare" or polled about specific components of it (e.g., pre-ex conditions) without describing it as such, and most of that gap is from Republicans.
Not a single person that supported the ACA voted for Trump.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:38 pm to sms151t
Pelosi is GET READY TO BE SHOCKED lying she just said TrumpCare does not cover pre existing conditions.
She is actually saying the facts and the truth need to come out on TrumpCare. As they passed OCare at 2Am and no one to this day but maybe Greta read it.
She is actually saying the facts and the truth need to come out on TrumpCare. As they passed OCare at 2Am and no one to this day but maybe Greta read it.
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