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re: the General Pershing thing Trump is tweeting about never happened, just so we're clear.

Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by DAbully
Syria
Member since Dec 2016
1028 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:20 pm to
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Maybe this is what trump was referring to? He never specifically mentioned pig blood in that tweet


If you make a speech in which you say he dipped 49 bullets in pig's blood and executed Muslims then make that tweet, we know what you are trying to say.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:26 pm to
Have you come up with any proof other than but but but historians say....

Or even better "every historian said" so fricking lazy.

The OPs own article is sufficient enough to cast doubt on these few quoted "historians".
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:26 pm to
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of course you dont. truth and reality are irrelevant when they don't support the things you already like and believe. if lying promotes those things, thats fine too.
Nope. My point is that Trump is latching on to a principle. Jesus taught in parables that may or may not have actually happened, but whether the parables were actual events doesn't matter since the point is to relay a message in an exemplary way.

While you are concerned with whether or not what Pershing did was factual, the point is that it doesn't matter if it was because the tall tale is an example of an approach that many believe we need to have with terrorists. You're concerned about the historical narrative while Trump and others are concerned with the message the narrative conveys.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:27 pm to
Muslims call the preparation of their food in accordance with Islamic law "halal". I propose calling the pigblooding of American bullets @reAL, three syllables. I'll leave it to others to define the ceremonial dipping.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35464 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:34 pm to
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I don't even care if the tale is true. The point stands that we need to take a hard-nosed approach to terrorists.

Yeah, who cares if it's true? What's important is that we're having the conversation.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6495 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:35 pm to
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Nope. My point is that Trump is latching on to a principle. Jesus taught in parables that may or may not have actually happened, but whether the parables were actual events doesn't matter since the point is to relay a message in an exemplary way.


I would not make this comparison if you want to get any type of message across lol. Just call it a tall tale type story (which it clearly was lol). His point was the general was a BAMF, wrecked shop and sent a message.

Some people just take everything they hear/read literally and do not care to read between the lines if the message is from someone they already vehemently disagree with.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:44 pm to
That's exactly what I'm saying. The left doesn't care about the message Trump is trying to convey, they just want to pick apart the words he uses to send that message. It's all about spin and not about understanding.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:46 pm to
That is a big reason HRC ran a horrible campaign.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6495 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:55 pm to
Yea we agree, but don't compare Trump to Jesus lol. That has a 0% chance of effectively communicating with anyone who has negative attitude towards either of them.

It is only about spin. haha who hears anyone say something like that and thinks they meant it as 100% fact? people still having trouble understanding that trump often speaks figuratively and not literally, is hilarious.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:58 pm to
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Yea we agree, but don't compare Trump to Jesus lol. That has a 0% chance of effectively communicating with anyone who has negative attitude towards either of them.
I'm not comparing Trump to Jesus.

I'm comparing the General Pershing story to a parable.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6495 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:04 pm to
My point is that Trump is latching on to a principle. Jesus taught in parables that may or may not have actually happened, but whether the parables were actual events doesn't matter since the point is to relay a message in an exemplary way.

seems like a comparison in methods of disseminating a message. I do not literally think you meant Trump is Jesus-like, but people who already disagree with trump or christianity types will not identify with your message is what I am saying.

Trump did use a secular parable type message and it is making people's heads explode, easy to alienate more folks by adding in a religious comparison.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123779 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:05 pm to
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the General Pershing thing Trump is tweeting about never happened, just so we're clear.
Which General Pershing thing is that?

Serious question.
Because "the General Pershing thing" may well have comprised extremely successful propaganda directed at terrorists.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41644 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:08 pm to
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seems like a comparison in methods of disseminating a message. I do not literally think you meant Trump is Jesus-like, but people who already disagree with trump or christianity types will not identify with your message is what I am saying.

Trump did use a secular parable type message and it is making people's heads explode, easy to alienate more folks by adding in a religious comparison.
I think your concern actually amplifies what I was saying. Those who hate Trump don't care about the message, only the delivery, and they only care enough to spin it negatively.

I wasn't saying Trump was Jesus or even like Jesus. I was just saying that the story was like a parable, and honestly I don't think people know what a parable is except within the Biblical context of what Jesus taught. Instead of focusing on what I'm trying to say, the focus is twisted to be about comparing Trump to Jesus. It's a perfect example of what I'm railing against.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6495 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:10 pm to
I mean we agree.

Just giving advice to not give them more ways they can trip on their dick to argue over.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56365 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:18 pm to
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More concerned about the leader of our nation politicizing the deaths of 13 people for his own gains.



Exactly. We haven't seen the left politicizing a death. Well, except for always. So, other than always, the left never politicizes a death.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47473 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:21 pm to
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So what was wrong about his Tweet? Were there many terrorist attacks in the US in the following 35 years?
doesn't matter. Different time period.

If we did that today they'd be like "oh hell no"
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:55 pm to
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I don't see anything about pigs in Trump's tweet.


He's referencing a bogus story he told during his campaign:

quote:

Trump is almost certainly referring to a story he told during the campaign. He claimed that General John J. Pershing crushed an Islamic insurgency in the Philippines by committing a heinous war crime. Here’s Trump at a South Carolina rally: They were having terrorism problems, just like we do,” Trump said. “And he caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage and killed many people. And he took the 50 terrorists, and he took 50 men and he dipped 50 bullets in pigs’ blood — you heard that, right? He took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood. And he had his men load his rifles, and he lined up the 50 people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said: You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened. And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem. Okay? Twenty-five years, there wasn’t a problem There are multiple problems with this story. First, it’s false. There’s no evidence Pershing did such a thing. In fact, he got the history exactly backwards. Pershing worked hard to avoid inflaming religious fanaticism and worked hard to avoid unnecessary loss of life. For example, read this excerpt from a letter Pershing wrote to the insurgents. The language comes from his own memoir: I write you this letter because I am sorry to know that you and your people refuse to do what the government has ordered. You do not give up your arms. Soldiers were sent to Taglibi so that you could come into camp and turn in your guns. When the soldiers went to camp a Taglibi, your Moros fired into camp and tried to kill the soldiers. Then the soldiers had to shoot all Moros who fired upon them. When the soldiers marched through the country, the Moros again shot at them, so the soldiers had to kill several others. I am sorry the soldiers had to kill any Moros. All Moros are the same to me as my children and no father wants to kill his own children.


Donald Trump is a grandpa that read something on the internet and thinks it's true.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:57 pm to
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Exactly. We haven't seen the left politicizing a death. Well, except for always. So, other than always, the left never politicizes a death.


So that makes it OK. 1,000,000,000th use of the very principled, they do it too excuse.
Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:13 pm to
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Go ahead and change your picture from Reagan to Obama next time you have a spare sec.


I'd be happier to change the current president back to reagan ;-)...different topic for a different time.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
Member since May 2010
27104 posts
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:14 pm to
You got to make sure you have the facts first.

Oh wait..
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