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The 20% Colleges perishing story from yesterday - LSU added
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:58 am
Here is the results I found in their database:
SEC Schools
Auburn University - Thrive
Louisiana State University - Thrive
Mississippi State University - Thrive
Texas A & M University - Thrive
University of Alabama - Survive
University of Arkansas - Thrive
University of Florida - Survive
University of Georgia - Thrive
University of Kentucky - Thrive
University of Mississippi - Thrive
University of Missouri - Thrive
University of South Carolina - Thrive
Vanderbilt University - Survive
I could not find Tennessee
Others of Note:
Baylor University - Struggle
Georgia Institute of Technology - Survive
Samford University - Struggle
Tennessee Technological University - Perish
University of Alabama at Birmingham - Thrive
University of Alabama in Huntsville - Perish
Post from Yesterday
SEC Schools
Auburn University - Thrive
Louisiana State University - Thrive
Mississippi State University - Thrive
Texas A & M University - Thrive
University of Alabama - Survive
University of Arkansas - Thrive
University of Florida - Survive
University of Georgia - Thrive
University of Kentucky - Thrive
University of Mississippi - Thrive
University of Missouri - Thrive
University of South Carolina - Thrive
Vanderbilt University - Survive
I could not find Tennessee
Others of Note:
Baylor University - Struggle
Georgia Institute of Technology - Survive
Samford University - Struggle
Tennessee Technological University - Perish
University of Alabama at Birmingham - Thrive
University of Alabama in Huntsville - Perish
Post from Yesterday
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:59 am to Auburn80
This is a stupid concept. Major state universities will be fine.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:00 pm to Auburn80
So, what dings Fla and Bama?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Maybe, maybe not.
Keep in mind that state budgets are likely to crater due to lower tax revenue thanks to Covid.
Keep in mind that state budgets are likely to crater due to lower tax revenue thanks to Covid.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
what dings Fla and Bama?
Probably a larger percentage of out of state students?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:10 pm to Auburn80
Link to the database or article?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:11 pm to Auburn80
How about some context for those who don't know what you are talking about?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:13 pm to Auburn80
Bama and Florida on life support?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:15 pm to Auburn80
quote:Go to Georgia and hang a left...
I could not find Tennessee
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:16 pm to LSURussian
Most major football coaches couldn’t find it either in the past few years.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:29 pm to Auburn80
I'm glad someone took the time and effort to do this. I couldn't find a version that I could filter and adjust.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:31 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Florida and Alabama are relying on too many out of state and international students. Those students are going to be harder to come by.
Regions public colleges are in massive danger. Southern Miss loses $9 million a year. Without football that number will be much higher. Will not be able to subsidize with tuition.
Regions public colleges are in massive danger. Southern Miss loses $9 million a year. Without football that number will be much higher. Will not be able to subsidize with tuition.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:36 pm to anc
Love USM but I’m not giving them shite if they call.
The whole school has looked like a monkey fricking a football for 20+ years since Fleming retired as president.
The whole school has looked like a monkey fricking a football for 20+ years since Fleming retired as president.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:37 pm to Auburn80
Education spending has been in a massive bubble. It's time for it to *pop*.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:38 pm to anc
Good opportunity for UF to cut back on relying out of state and international students and get back to serving the people of the state of Florida. Acceptance rate for qualifying in state students is too low.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:39 pm to Numberwang
Added the link to yesterday's post.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:46 pm to Auburn80
2020 seems as good a time as any to close some shitty LA schools
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:59 pm to Auburn80
There are about 142 universities in La that have no business existing and need to be shuttered.
Knowing Louisiana and how fricked up this state is, I've no doubt we'll actually come through Covid with more colleges, not less.
Knowing Louisiana and how fricked up this state is, I've no doubt we'll actually come through Covid with more colleges, not less.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 1:26 pm to Auburn80
I have a Ph.D. in Higher Education Administration. This is my world. I can give you some insight in what is going on.
Your big time Power 5 public colleges aren't in any trouble. As the data indicates, they are going to thrive. Schools that rely on an extremely high number of out of state students (Alabama) or international students (Florida) aren't in trouble, but will have to make some cuts.
Big private schools (Vanderbilt, Duke, Ivy League, etc.) are going to make it just fine, mainly because of their large endowments. But they rely on a ton of internationals and uber wealthy - both that pay full sticker price. The kid from small town Louisiana that goes to Harvard pays less for his degree than he would if he went to LSU, but the trust fund kid from Manhattan or the Chinese student is going to pay full asking price. That's where they are going to get hit. For some, it may be nothing more than a new fundraising campaign, for others, it may be cuts to the art department or not rehiring a retiring professor.
Small publics and privates are where there is real issue.
Take a school like Southern Miss or UL Monroe. Southern Miss loses $9 million a year on athletics. ULM loses about that or more.Unlike the SEC, these schools make more money on ticket and concession stands and playing "buy" games at SEC schools than they do on TV money. LSU can play in an empty stadium all year and still do really well as long as ESPN and CBS are there. USM and ULM can't.
The options are to either cut football or drop to FCS or even Division II. All of those choices have dramatic domino effects. If Trump wins the election, you may see some relaxing of Title IX rules to allow them to survive as FBS programs, but a Biden win and that's not happening. There will have to be a dramatic shift to survive as a school, especially with state funding dropping dramatically in the coming years.
UAH is listed amongst the perish. They just cut their Division I hockey program to save money. I would expect to see a couple of FBS programs just cut football altogether.
The smaller privates are under even more pressure because they don't have the state funding. Ivy League schools are dropping testing requirements to be woke. These smaller schools are dropping them in hopes of attracting more applicants.
Birmingham Southern cut their tuition in half.
Oglethorpe in Atlanta has a program where they guarantee you won't pay more than your state's flagship tuition
Belhaven is giving a free master's degree to students who come to campus this year.
Queens University of Charlotte offered a ton of guaranteed scholarship money to anyone from the Charlotte area.
Those are signs of colleges that get it. They understand they can't sit still. Proactive behavior.
Then you have places who are reactive like Louisiana College, who is dropping from the NCAA to the NAIA and probably dropping football as well.
Spring Hill and Mississippi College made the jump from the NAIA/D3 to Division II in order to attract more students. It worked, but at a much bigger cost than planned. They have more students to educate with less revenue. Much like Centenary's move to Division I in the late 90s.
Your schools like Blue Mountain and William Carey have nothing really going for them. Carey started a D.O. and Pharmacy school - both are revenue neutral unless they grow significantly.
I noticed that someone replied to my thread yesterday that a school like UT Dallas would never go under. These regional commuter schools are in terrible financial shape. Some of them rely 50%+ on state funding. That's going to be cut. The people that go to those schools are the same ones that go to community colleges. They aren't going to be Comet fans.
I think COVID is going to be a wakeup call to a bunch of colleges.
Your big time Power 5 public colleges aren't in any trouble. As the data indicates, they are going to thrive. Schools that rely on an extremely high number of out of state students (Alabama) or international students (Florida) aren't in trouble, but will have to make some cuts.
Big private schools (Vanderbilt, Duke, Ivy League, etc.) are going to make it just fine, mainly because of their large endowments. But they rely on a ton of internationals and uber wealthy - both that pay full sticker price. The kid from small town Louisiana that goes to Harvard pays less for his degree than he would if he went to LSU, but the trust fund kid from Manhattan or the Chinese student is going to pay full asking price. That's where they are going to get hit. For some, it may be nothing more than a new fundraising campaign, for others, it may be cuts to the art department or not rehiring a retiring professor.
Small publics and privates are where there is real issue.
Take a school like Southern Miss or UL Monroe. Southern Miss loses $9 million a year on athletics. ULM loses about that or more.Unlike the SEC, these schools make more money on ticket and concession stands and playing "buy" games at SEC schools than they do on TV money. LSU can play in an empty stadium all year and still do really well as long as ESPN and CBS are there. USM and ULM can't.
The options are to either cut football or drop to FCS or even Division II. All of those choices have dramatic domino effects. If Trump wins the election, you may see some relaxing of Title IX rules to allow them to survive as FBS programs, but a Biden win and that's not happening. There will have to be a dramatic shift to survive as a school, especially with state funding dropping dramatically in the coming years.
UAH is listed amongst the perish. They just cut their Division I hockey program to save money. I would expect to see a couple of FBS programs just cut football altogether.
The smaller privates are under even more pressure because they don't have the state funding. Ivy League schools are dropping testing requirements to be woke. These smaller schools are dropping them in hopes of attracting more applicants.
Birmingham Southern cut their tuition in half.
Oglethorpe in Atlanta has a program where they guarantee you won't pay more than your state's flagship tuition
Belhaven is giving a free master's degree to students who come to campus this year.
Queens University of Charlotte offered a ton of guaranteed scholarship money to anyone from the Charlotte area.
Those are signs of colleges that get it. They understand they can't sit still. Proactive behavior.
Then you have places who are reactive like Louisiana College, who is dropping from the NCAA to the NAIA and probably dropping football as well.
Spring Hill and Mississippi College made the jump from the NAIA/D3 to Division II in order to attract more students. It worked, but at a much bigger cost than planned. They have more students to educate with less revenue. Much like Centenary's move to Division I in the late 90s.
Your schools like Blue Mountain and William Carey have nothing really going for them. Carey started a D.O. and Pharmacy school - both are revenue neutral unless they grow significantly.
I noticed that someone replied to my thread yesterday that a school like UT Dallas would never go under. These regional commuter schools are in terrible financial shape. Some of them rely 50%+ on state funding. That's going to be cut. The people that go to those schools are the same ones that go to community colleges. They aren't going to be Comet fans.
I think COVID is going to be a wakeup call to a bunch of colleges.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 1:37 pm to anc
Interesting. We will see what some of the adjustments will be. Baylor isn’t going away but why do they have them under “struggle”?
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