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The 20% Colleges perishing story from yesterday - LSU added

Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:58 am
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7478 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:58 am
Here is the results I found in their database:

SEC Schools
Auburn University - Thrive
Louisiana State University - Thrive
Mississippi State University - Thrive
Texas A & M University - Thrive
University of Alabama - Survive
University of Arkansas - Thrive
University of Florida - Survive
University of Georgia - Thrive
University of Kentucky - Thrive
University of Mississippi - Thrive
University of Missouri - Thrive
University of South Carolina - Thrive
Vanderbilt University - Survive

I could not find Tennessee

Others of Note:
Baylor University - Struggle
Georgia Institute of Technology - Survive
Samford University - Struggle
Tennessee Technological University - Perish
University of Alabama at Birmingham - Thrive
University of Alabama in Huntsville - Perish

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This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26629 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 11:59 am to
This is a stupid concept. Major state universities will be fine.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101238 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:00 pm to
So, what dings Fla and Bama?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94788 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:02 pm to
Maybe, maybe not.

Keep in mind that state budgets are likely to crater due to lower tax revenue thanks to Covid.
Posted by MintBerry Crunch
Member since Nov 2010
4826 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

what dings Fla and Bama?


Probably a larger percentage of out of state students?
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:10 pm to
Link to the database or article?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52748 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:11 pm to
How about some context for those who don't know what you are talking about?
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19911 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:13 pm to
Bama and Florida on life support?

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126937 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

I could not find Tennessee

Go to Georgia and hang a left...
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94788 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:16 pm to
Most major football coaches couldn’t find it either in the past few years.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79960 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:29 pm to
I'm glad someone took the time and effort to do this. I couldn't find a version that I could filter and adjust.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:31 pm to
Florida and Alabama are relying on too many out of state and international students. Those students are going to be harder to come by.

Regions public colleges are in massive danger. Southern Miss loses $9 million a year. Without football that number will be much higher. Will not be able to subsidize with tuition.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94788 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:36 pm to
Love USM but I’m not giving them shite if they call.

The whole school has looked like a monkey fricking a football for 20+ years since Fleming retired as president.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57077 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:37 pm to
Education spending has been in a massive bubble. It's time for it to *pop*.
Posted by UFMatt
Gator Nation - Everywhere
Member since Oct 2010
11424 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:38 pm to
Good opportunity for UF to cut back on relying out of state and international students and get back to serving the people of the state of Florida. Acceptance rate for qualifying in state students is too low.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7478 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:39 pm to
Added the link to yesterday's post.
Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
1023 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:46 pm to
2020 seems as good a time as any to close some shitty LA schools

Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24951 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:59 pm to
There are about 142 universities in La that have no business existing and need to be shuttered.

Knowing Louisiana and how fricked up this state is, I've no doubt we'll actually come through Covid with more colleges, not less.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
17993 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 1:26 pm to
I have a Ph.D. in Higher Education Administration. This is my world. I can give you some insight in what is going on.

Your big time Power 5 public colleges aren't in any trouble. As the data indicates, they are going to thrive. Schools that rely on an extremely high number of out of state students (Alabama) or international students (Florida) aren't in trouble, but will have to make some cuts.

Big private schools (Vanderbilt, Duke, Ivy League, etc.) are going to make it just fine, mainly because of their large endowments. But they rely on a ton of internationals and uber wealthy - both that pay full sticker price. The kid from small town Louisiana that goes to Harvard pays less for his degree than he would if he went to LSU, but the trust fund kid from Manhattan or the Chinese student is going to pay full asking price. That's where they are going to get hit. For some, it may be nothing more than a new fundraising campaign, for others, it may be cuts to the art department or not rehiring a retiring professor.

Small publics and privates are where there is real issue.

Take a school like Southern Miss or UL Monroe. Southern Miss loses $9 million a year on athletics. ULM loses about that or more.Unlike the SEC, these schools make more money on ticket and concession stands and playing "buy" games at SEC schools than they do on TV money. LSU can play in an empty stadium all year and still do really well as long as ESPN and CBS are there. USM and ULM can't.

The options are to either cut football or drop to FCS or even Division II. All of those choices have dramatic domino effects. If Trump wins the election, you may see some relaxing of Title IX rules to allow them to survive as FBS programs, but a Biden win and that's not happening. There will have to be a dramatic shift to survive as a school, especially with state funding dropping dramatically in the coming years.

UAH is listed amongst the perish. They just cut their Division I hockey program to save money. I would expect to see a couple of FBS programs just cut football altogether.

The smaller privates are under even more pressure because they don't have the state funding. Ivy League schools are dropping testing requirements to be woke. These smaller schools are dropping them in hopes of attracting more applicants.

Birmingham Southern cut their tuition in half.
Oglethorpe in Atlanta has a program where they guarantee you won't pay more than your state's flagship tuition
Belhaven is giving a free master's degree to students who come to campus this year.
Queens University of Charlotte offered a ton of guaranteed scholarship money to anyone from the Charlotte area.

Those are signs of colleges that get it. They understand they can't sit still. Proactive behavior.

Then you have places who are reactive like Louisiana College, who is dropping from the NCAA to the NAIA and probably dropping football as well.

Spring Hill and Mississippi College made the jump from the NAIA/D3 to Division II in order to attract more students. It worked, but at a much bigger cost than planned. They have more students to educate with less revenue. Much like Centenary's move to Division I in the late 90s.

Your schools like Blue Mountain and William Carey have nothing really going for them. Carey started a D.O. and Pharmacy school - both are revenue neutral unless they grow significantly.

I noticed that someone replied to my thread yesterday that a school like UT Dallas would never go under. These regional commuter schools are in terrible financial shape. Some of them rely 50%+ on state funding. That's going to be cut. The people that go to those schools are the same ones that go to community colleges. They aren't going to be Comet fans.

I think COVID is going to be a wakeup call to a bunch of colleges.

This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40022 posts
Posted on 7/29/20 at 1:37 pm to
Interesting. We will see what some of the adjustments will be. Baylor isn’t going away but why do they have them under “struggle”?
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