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re: Tensions rise in Nevada-snipers,1st am zones,no fly zones used and in effect
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:02 am to samson'sseed
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:02 am to samson'sseed
And obviously, you can not read
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:04 am to Rex
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fairness
Here we go
And twice in a row Rex didnt even make an argument about what Paluka said, just talked about how the BLM has bent over backwards and fairness
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:04 am to darkhorse
I can read...I just don't read the Drudge Report because it is for shitheads.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:06 am to Alahunter
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You have no prob with the land in question being taken from him,after his family grazed cattle on it since the 1800's?
Rex has no problem with this, because, at heart, he is a Totalitarian Leftist. He knows that his vision of Governance (socialist welfare authoritarian State) can best be imposed on the electorate by totalitarian methods, so, he's secretly in favor of these methods.
That's why whenever a Democrat uses these methods, he's always vocally supportive of silently acquiescent.
But, Rex is correct: the best way to impose the Leftist Vision for the USA is via totalitarian methods.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:07 am to samson'sseed
You do realize that Drudge is an aggregate news site, right?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:11 am to samson'sseed
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I just don't read the Drudge Report
Drudge Report very rarely has hosted articles.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:16 am to Paluka
There's a BIG difference between the Alabama case and the Nevada case.... wait, did I say "the Nevada case" because there never has been one instituted by the state of Nevada. Why do you suppose that is?
I'll tell you...
Upon admission to the Union, Alabama never renounced its claim to the lands within its borders. Nevada never had a claim to begin with, and upon admission they ceded any right to ever make such a claim:
The equal footing doctrine guarantees each new state equal constitutional political rights, it does not guarantee that each state has an equal proportion of Federal land.
So, what Mr. Bundy and any other of his fellow, conveniently self-serving ad hoc "states right" arguers are left with is a legal predicament they can't win: Nevada willfully disclaimed any right to the land upon its admission as a state, and if their charter of admission is unconstitutional then their entire legal standing as a state is questionable in the first place.
Furthermore, the matter has been decided by the Courts. State legislatures in those Western states have passed blustery showmanship bills in their state capitals since at least 1979 renouncing their own admission agreements. But that's all they amount to: show. Why do you suppose, after all this time, that not a single state has seriously pursued the matter in Federal court?
All of which brings us back to the fact that I'm STILL waiting to be "destroyed".
I'll tell you...
Upon admission to the Union, Alabama never renounced its claim to the lands within its borders. Nevada never had a claim to begin with, and upon admission they ceded any right to ever make such a claim:
quote:
“That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States”
The equal footing doctrine guarantees each new state equal constitutional political rights, it does not guarantee that each state has an equal proportion of Federal land.
So, what Mr. Bundy and any other of his fellow, conveniently self-serving ad hoc "states right" arguers are left with is a legal predicament they can't win: Nevada willfully disclaimed any right to the land upon its admission as a state, and if their charter of admission is unconstitutional then their entire legal standing as a state is questionable in the first place.
Furthermore, the matter has been decided by the Courts. State legislatures in those Western states have passed blustery showmanship bills in their state capitals since at least 1979 renouncing their own admission agreements. But that's all they amount to: show. Why do you suppose, after all this time, that not a single state has seriously pursued the matter in Federal court?
All of which brings us back to the fact that I'm STILL waiting to be "destroyed".
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:18 am to Champagne
The land was not "taken from him". It was never his.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:23 am to samson'sseed
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Has nothing to do with turtles, you idiot. The guy has refused to pay taxes for over 20 years...and is threatening an insurrection against the federal government.
Generally leftist are all about standing up to the gov't and "the man". Until they're guy is "the man". fricking hypocrites. I'm just glad to see someone with the balls to challenge the federal gov't. Right or wrong, it brings issues up that would otherwise go ignored and exposes the fed's for what they are.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:25 am to Rex
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Why don't you go join in at shooting upon those gutless Federal guys, big boy?
Would love to see more of these anti-government nuts descend upon this one location & shoot at these gutless Government agents.
You think Ted Nugent will show up? Hope so.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:26 am to Rex
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This post was edited on 6/15/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:26 am to SmackoverHawg
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'm just glad to see someone with the balls to challenge the federal gov't.
Your own tax dollars are helping to fund those Feds. Why don't you make your own stand, tough guy? Join some militia and go take some shots at some agents because one Mr. Bundy is a deadbeat moocher.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:29 am to Rex
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Though it’s true, “Land, protected by Land Patent, can’t lawfully be seized for debt or taxes.” Therefore, no mortgage or tax liability can stand against Land secured by a Land Patent. However, most people do not understand what Land Patent secured Land is. Therefore, it is important to remember that the term "Land" as it is used in relation to land patent secured Land is synonymous with "Dominion" (which is intangible) and it is a distinctively different thing from the tangible property appurtenant to the land. Further, the Land Patent does not limit people from their right to contract. Thus, the Land Patent will not limit the enforceability of your subsequent agreements or your respective obligations thereto related.
The piece you put in quotes came from a site talking about land Patents, i am not arguing whether it not this is a land patent case , but the first sentence saying the land can't be seized for taxes or debts seems like it would apply here....Rex please no emoticons in your response se this time
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:32 am to samson'sseed
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Most reasonable people will see it for what it is...a few anti-government nuts defending a tax scofflaw.
Really shocked some of the poli board patriots havent mounted up and moved out...or maybe they are just full of shite?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:33 am to sugar71
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Would love to see more of these anti-government nuts descend upon this one location & shoot at these gutless Government agents.
I, for one, would not love to see that. This country seems rife with gun nut lunatics with no real legal or ethical sense except that they want to be able to shoot something, somehow.
What's Mr. Bundy's attraction, anyway, except that he's a militia member who has threatened to wage war? Would the nuts have the same enthusiasm for protecting a band of hippies who decided to make Yellowstone their own permanent living site? I don't think so.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:35 am to fleaux
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but the first sentence saying the land can't be seized for taxes or debts seems like it would apply here.
Huh? What in blazes are you babbling about? I didn't mention anything about "land patents".
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:40 am to Rex
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quote: “That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States”
I searched this quote you put on here and it was in a paper about land patents, word for word. I was trying to research this instead of just parroting what people are saying on both sides and thats what i found, so no im not "babbling"
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:44 am to fleaux
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I searched this quote you put on here and it was in a paper about land patents, word for word.
???
It's quoted at least 3800 times in a simple Google search, almost none of which deal with "land patents".
It's part of Nevada's constitution and admission as a state.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:46 am to Rex
Gotcha
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:48 am to Rex
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I'm sorry... I know you tried to be sincere but I just had to laugh at most of
Rex, you really are on the wrong side of this.
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