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Supreme Court doin' work.....by not doin' work
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:45 am
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Supreme Court refuses to hear challenge to Arkansas abortion law
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rejecting an appeal from the Planned Parenthood affiliate in Arkansas that asked the court to review an appeals court ruling and reinstate a lower court order that had blocked the law from taking effect.
Fox
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:49 am to Wtodd
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Planned Parenthood
The organization who claims their primary business is not abortions but prevention, but yet in 2016 PP performed over 300,000 abortions nationwide.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:51 am to Wtodd
Good. PP needs to go the way of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:15 am to Homesick Tiger
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but yet in 2016 PP performed over 300,000 abortions nationwide.
I imagine that pales compared to number of condoms distributed and birth control scripts written or filled.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:33 am to MoarKilometers
quote:"What about the good things Hitler did?"
I imagine that pales compared to number of condoms distributed and birth control scripts written or filled.
Yeah, mass murder is cool because they also handed out rubbers.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:51 am to FooManChoo
Separation of church and state means we shouldnt be legislating morality issues. The conversation shouldnt be whether a fetus is a human or not, it's about women's rights to choose what happens to their body. When you legislate morality all you do is create a black market.
Its not your decision what a woman does to her body, just like its not her decision if you get snipped. While I dont agree with abortion as a whole, I still recognize that it's not my decision, and I shouldnt care, if someone wants to get rid of a fetus. If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go. Yes, Im socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like many millennials from the south. You cant want small government then complain that we arent legislating enough morality issues, it's counter intuitive and republicans as a whole should do better than this.
Its not your decision what a woman does to her body, just like its not her decision if you get snipped. While I dont agree with abortion as a whole, I still recognize that it's not my decision, and I shouldnt care, if someone wants to get rid of a fetus. If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go. Yes, Im socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like many millennials from the south. You cant want small government then complain that we arent legislating enough morality issues, it's counter intuitive and republicans as a whole should do better than this.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:53 am to darnol91
quote:lol
their body
quote:so you'd agree that any full grown adult that can't survive without life support is no longer human?
If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:54 am to darnol91
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Separation of church and state means we shouldnt be legislating morality issues. The conversation shouldnt be whether a fetus is a human or not, it's about women's rights to choose what happens to their body. When you legislate morality all you do is create a black market.
Its not your decision what a woman does to her body, just like its not her decision if you get snipped. While I dont agree with abortion as a whole, I still recognize that it's not my decision, and I shouldnt care, if someone wants to get rid of a fetus. If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go. Yes, Im socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like many millennials from the south. You cant want small government then complain that we arent legislating enough morality issues, it's counter intuitive and republicans as a whole should do better than this.
I have a feeling if Someone murdered your sisters child, you would have a problem with that loss of life, as should everyone.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:56 am to Wtodd
SCOTUS is finally getting back to staying within its limits.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:00 am to darnol91
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Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go.
And there’s your typical liberal hubris on display.
It’s not God’s duty to keep up with the changing times and morals of mere mortals.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:00 am to darnol91
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If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
I was born pre-mature and had underdeveloped lungs. So, in your opinion, it should have been okay at that point for them to just not plug me up to life support, and let me die? If my mom decided at that point she didn't want me? I mean, by your definition I was not a human. I was out of the womb and could not survive without life support.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 11:01 am
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:02 am to darnol91
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Separation of church and state means we shouldnt be legislating morality issues. The conversation shouldnt be whether a fetus is a human or not, it's about women's rights to choose what happens to their body. When you legislate morality all you do is create a black market.
Its not your decision what a woman does to her body, just like its not her decision if you get snipped. While I dont agree with abortion as a whole, I still recognize that it's not my decision, and I shouldnt care, if someone wants to get rid of a fetus. If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go. Yes, Im socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like many millennials from the south. You cant want small government then complain that we arent legislating enough morality issues, it's counter intuitive and republicans as a whole should do better than this.
Arkansas is kinda in the middle of the nation. A woman choosing to murder her unborn go North, South, East, or West. She just can't do it in Arkansas. So she still has the choice, murder and see the nation at the same time even!
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:03 am to darnol91
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Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go
Cool. There are plenty of other reasons to be against abortion.
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Im socially liberal and fiscally conservative,
Doubtful.
What are your socially liberal stances and your fiscally conservative ones?
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ou cant want small government then complain that we arent legislating enough morality issues
You don't want the government legislating what is and is not murder? The best part of all this, you are condemning others for legislating morality, while you are doing the exact same thing.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:07 am to darnol91
The problem is not one of morality but one of rights. The question is whether the unborn are persons with the rights bestowed upon persons. In the United States, they seem to have an inconsistent pattern of rights.
If they survive to be born, they have inheritance rights that begin at conception.
If their father dies, they inherit rights to bring suits for wrongful death.
If they die due to an accident or murder at the hands of someone other than their mother, that person will be charged with an additional count of manslaughter or murder for killing the unborn.
The unborn have a lot of rights that minor children have, but not all of those rights. Primarily, the one instance in which an unborn child is presumed to have no rights, is when their life is terminated by their mother in the instance of a timely abortion.
The question is not what is moral, but rather, when do rights begin? Should the bundle of rights all be conferred on birth or conception? Should some rights confer on conception and others on birth? It is a difficult legal question that intersects with some major philosophical and scientific questions about when a life becomes a person.
The pro-life crowd believes in protecting the rights of the unborn. The pro-choice crowd believes in protecting the rights of the mother. What makes the abortion debate so difficult is figuring out where the line must be drawn between whose rights, the mother's or the child's, should trump when those rights intersect. We all agree the child has some rights. The pro-life crowd believes children should have more rights, the pro-choice believes mothers should have more rights.
If they survive to be born, they have inheritance rights that begin at conception.
If their father dies, they inherit rights to bring suits for wrongful death.
If they die due to an accident or murder at the hands of someone other than their mother, that person will be charged with an additional count of manslaughter or murder for killing the unborn.
The unborn have a lot of rights that minor children have, but not all of those rights. Primarily, the one instance in which an unborn child is presumed to have no rights, is when their life is terminated by their mother in the instance of a timely abortion.
The question is not what is moral, but rather, when do rights begin? Should the bundle of rights all be conferred on birth or conception? Should some rights confer on conception and others on birth? It is a difficult legal question that intersects with some major philosophical and scientific questions about when a life becomes a person.
The pro-life crowd believes in protecting the rights of the unborn. The pro-choice crowd believes in protecting the rights of the mother. What makes the abortion debate so difficult is figuring out where the line must be drawn between whose rights, the mother's or the child's, should trump when those rights intersect. We all agree the child has some rights. The pro-life crowd believes children should have more rights, the pro-choice believes mothers should have more rights.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:09 am to Wtodd
looking forward to that beautiful day when Justice Ginsberg is aborted.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:09 am to kingbob
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The question is not what is moral, but rather, when do rights begin? Should the bundle of rights all be conferred on birth or conception? Should some rights confer on conception and others on birth? It is a difficult legal question that intersects with some major philosophical and scientific questions about when a life becomes a person.
Bingo, and considering the scientific advancements that have even been made in the last 5 years, that point of the "viability" argument is ever changing.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:10 am to Wtodd
common sense restrictions against late term abortions will be coming next!
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:15 am to darnol91
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Separation of church and state means we shouldnt be legislating morality issues. The conversation shouldnt be whether a fetus is a human or not, it's about women's rights to choose what happens to their body. When you legislate morality all you do is create a black market.
Its not your decision what a woman does to her body, just like its not her decision if you get snipped. While I dont agree with abortion as a whole, I still recognize that it's not my decision, and I shouldnt care, if someone wants to get rid of a fetus. If you want to argue that it's a human, then take it out of the womb and if it survives without life support, then I would classify it as such.
Times are changing and classic conservative religious stances on social issues need to go. Yes, Im socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like many millennials from the south. You cant want small government then complain that we arent legislating enough morality issues, it's counter intuitive and republicans as a whole should do better than this.
What a load of drivel.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:18 am to darnol91
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we shouldnt be legislating morality issues
I'm ok with that. I might enjoy killin' you, rapin' your wife/daughter and takin' your stuff.
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what a woman does to her body
It ain't her body she's killing bright boy.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:18 am to GoCrazyAuburn
The problem with Planned Parenthood is they take public money, that’s a big problem... You may have a right to kill YOUR baby under this current messed up law, but I have a problem paying for it. They say they don’t use that public money for abortions, Id like them to prove that by taking that money away from them; let’s see who’s lying......
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