Strongsafety is wrong. "handouts/welfare" is really subsidies and ...

he's right but it's the wrong time for that gotcha attempt

Trump is a welfare whore and Trumpkins love them some big government (including welfare)

SS is trying to make a "fiscal conservative", classic GOP gotcha when it doesn't apply to Trump or his section of the GOP

Lol, what?
How has trump grown the government?
If you think conservatives love welfare, then you are dumb.
His section of the gop? What section is that?

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Lol, what?
How has trump grown the government?

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well just for a poignant example for this discussion: tariffs

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His section of the gop? What section is that?

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the ones who try to distinguish subsidies from welfare

Next time I’m going to FB message you buddy when I am LC bound.

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Sorry Jake, conservatives are not for big government.

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Some conservatives are not for big government. Unfortunately neither conservatism or liberalism is inherently against big government, although classical liberalism (pretty much libertarians nowadays) probably has the best argument for being a small-government ideology.

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Yes trump is a big spender, and the subsidies need to go, but the spending in DC won’t change overnight

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Well Trump isn't really a conservative anyways, but it's not just spending that's a problem: the the War on Drugs, Patriot Act, US military involvement overseas, tariffs, etc. that are all supported to my many conservatives, or subsets of the conservative ideology, that are part of it as well.

Unfortunately, the small-government types on either side tend to get pushed aside whenever their side is in power. They're all the rage when the other side is in power though.

Tariffs are a tax that goes into the govt coffers (this growing govt.) then we as consumers have to pay more on the other end so it really isn’t great in the short term for the average US citizen.

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How does that grow the gov't?

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It's a tax implemented by the government and impacts the supply chains of companies.

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I don't understand this either. I've never heard that there was a conversation on this.

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Yeah. Especially since they like to call it "corporate welfare" whenever there is even just a corporate tax DEDUCTION.

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Small govt is a central tenet of conservatism, so I stopped reading there.

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No it's not. Conservatism is at it's core is primarily an ideology that support (and preserve) traditional values and institutions. And in fact, one of those traditional values is often "authority," (not necessarily straight up authoritarianism.

That said, there are principles that can be applied to "small government," and small-government conservatism is obviously a major part for many; however, many of those who purport to be "small-government conservatives," were shown to be liars. And many of those who truly are small-government conservatives (e.g., like Rand) are more of a mix of conservatism with classical liberalism.

Basically it's just another example of why political ideologies aren't best explained by a single continuum.

It there to conserve the constitution dumbass. And strictly limit govt as to the confines set forth by the constitution.

Liberals who interpret the constitution as a “living document” use it to expand government. Unfortunately in the 20th century we have only had 2 conservatives presidents (Coolidge and Reagan.) it is possible that Trump could turn out to be a conservative.

rand is a libertarian, not a conservative. Conservatives want a strong national defense and Rand is code pink.

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Fix your title. StrongSafety is a pedophile sympathizer and supporter.

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