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States rights or slavery.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:07 am
Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:07 am
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For those that have participated in the perpetual argument. I hope that this video gives some of you closure on this subject. Also where would we all be today had the south rightfully won.
For those that have participated in the perpetual argument. I hope that this video gives some of you closure on this subject. Also where would we all be today had the south rightfully won.
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Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:08 am to bencoleman
Id probably be in Korea,or perhaps New Zealand.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:14 am to bencoleman
Slavery was a state right. So yeah state rights was technically the reason. Slavery being the main one
Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:26 am to bencoleman
Slavery ended peacefully every where else on earth. It was going to end in America. We didn’t need to wipe out 2/3 of our economy, have 600,000 casualties, and destroy the nation.
Compensation, capitalism, innovation, and the north nullification of the fugitive slave act would have ended slavery eventually.
And it would have been better for black people if it happen that way instead of the horrific policy of reconstruction. Hayes finally realized this and ended reconstruction during his term.
And the negative effects of it have damaged black people ever since. It was a major factor in the income tax being passed. Southern politician and southerners in general saw it as a punishment for the more industrial north and as a payback for reconstruction.
Compensation, capitalism, innovation, and the north nullification of the fugitive slave act would have ended slavery eventually.
And it would have been better for black people if it happen that way instead of the horrific policy of reconstruction. Hayes finally realized this and ended reconstruction during his term.
And the negative effects of it have damaged black people ever since. It was a major factor in the income tax being passed. Southern politician and southerners in general saw it as a punishment for the more industrial north and as a payback for reconstruction.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:05 am to bencoleman
The articles of secession didn't allow states to opt out of slavery if they wanted to.
Also, the confederate States of America stated that northern States were required to return slaves if they escaped even if slavery didn't exist in that state.
Funny how those states rights were worthless.
Also, the confederate States of America stated that northern States were required to return slaves if they escaped even if slavery didn't exist in that state.
Funny how those states rights were worthless.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:08 am to bencoleman
The South believed in the right of the states to own slaves. Whether you like it or not, the Deep South states (the ones that went first) seceded from the Union because they felt slavery was in danger of being abolished or, at the very least, significantly degraded. Their own words bear this out.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:16 am to RollTide1987
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The South believed in the right of the states to own slaves. Whether you like it or not, the Deep South states (the ones that went first) seceded from the Union because they felt slavery was in danger of being abolished or, at the very least, significantly degraded. Their own words bear this out
So the old gentleman in the video is a liar. I would say that if you called him such in his day you would've had to back up your words with action. Something that is sorely lacking in our society.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:17 am to bencoleman
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Also where would we all be today had the south rightfully won.
We would be better off without the federal leviathan we do now.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:23 am to Skeezer
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Slavery ended peacefully every where else on earth. It was going to end in America. We didn’t need to wipe out 2/3 of our economy, have 600,000 casualties, and destroy the nation.
It's a pity the South had to turn treasonous in order to not end it peacefully.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:23 am to bencoleman
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So the old gentleman in the video is a liar.
The old gentleman in the video was born in 1846. He was only 14 years old when the South began to secede from the Union, and thus would have barely been attuned to the sectional crisis in the years leading up to secession as he would have been too young to understand or probably even care.
A liar? No. Misinformed? Yes. The words of the men who actually pushed for secession in those early days speak plainly enough. When you read the Articles of Secession from the various states, and when you listen to speeches made by politicians such as Alexander Stephens (the Vice-President of the CSA), it becomes clear that the desire to protect slavery was THE primary factor for secession as well as the formation of the Confederate government.
This post was edited on 11/23/18 at 8:24 am
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:26 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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We would be better off without the federal leviathan we do now
This right here. The wrong side won the war.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:30 am to bencoleman
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The wrong side won the war.
If the Confederacy had won the war, North America would literally be made up of dozens of independent countries right now. Instead of one solid, continuous country, the map would look more like Europe.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:33 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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federal leviathan
This was clearly not the intent of the founders of the country.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:39 am to RollTide1987
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the Confederacy had won the war, North America would literally be made up of dozens of independent countries right now. Instead of one solid, continuous country, the map would look more like Europe
You don't know this. I like to think that the sides could've come together to form a new country stronger than ever but not what we have today. What we have today is an abomination. And it still may split up into several countries due to the massive chasm that exists between left and right.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:51 am to bencoleman
Slavery was on the way out with industrialization and the cotton gin. As an institution it’s days were numbered.
The wealthy planters wanted to sell the raw cotton to the Ruropeans who were paying higher prices. The north was going through and industrial revolution and wanted the south’s raw materials but weren’t willing to outbid the europeans and thought the south was obligated to sell to them.
If the south did not the north hurt financially and the industrialists lost money. This one of the political bargaining chips was slavery to control this financial disputes. But the real dispute was about economics.
The wealthy planters wanted to sell the raw cotton to the Ruropeans who were paying higher prices. The north was going through and industrial revolution and wanted the south’s raw materials but weren’t willing to outbid the europeans and thought the south was obligated to sell to them.
If the south did not the north hurt financially and the industrialists lost money. This one of the political bargaining chips was slavery to control this financial disputes. But the real dispute was about economics.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:54 am to bencoleman
The South/Stonewall was going to burn dc to the ground. There would have been no coming back from that.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:55 am to bencoleman
the south was wrong about slavery
Lincoln was wrong about ignoring the Constitution
no one had clean hands
Lincoln was wrong about ignoring the Constitution
no one had clean hands
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:59 am to bencoleman
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You don't know this. I like to think that the sides could've come together to form a new country stronger than ever but not what we have today.
You're a dreamer and my alternate history scenario is more realistic than yours.
The Confederacy was too weak to function properly and would have had to eventually re-invent itself with a stronger central government. Essentially becoming the same thing they had seceded from, independent-minded states such as Texas would have said adios and gone off to do their own thing.
By allowing secession to triumph, the floodgates would have been thrown wide open. States that came to hate unpopular policies levied by the central government could just secede and do their own thing. Because who best to govern Indiana or Kentucky? Men and women who have never set foot in the state or Indianans and Kentuckians?
Posted on 11/23/18 at 9:02 am to ItTakesAThief
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Slavery was on the way out with industrialization and the cotton gin.
This right here proves to me that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Slavery was a dying institution toward the end of the 18th century when the invention of the cotton gin reinvigorated it and made it bigger than it ever had been.
ETA: And the fact I'm being down voted for stating fact shows me how uneducated people on this board are when it comes to this subject.
This post was edited on 11/23/18 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/23/18 at 9:07 am to Skeezer
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Slavery ended peacefully every where else on earth. It was going to end in America.
Well, maybe, but certainly already TOO LATE.
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