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I B Freeman
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Stands on race Paul can not deny
Ron Paul on Bill Moyers in 2008 LINK

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"Libertarianism is the enemy of all racism, because racism is a collectivist idea that you put people in categories. You say, well blacks belong here, and whites here, and women here and we don't see people in forms..or gays. You don't have rights because your gays, or women or minorities, you have rights because you’re an individual. So we see people strictly as individuals. We get these individuals in a natural way. So it's exactly opposite of all collectivism and it's absolutely anti-racism because we don't see it in those terms


Drug laws punish inner city blacks LINK

"A system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges.

Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs.

For instance, Blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change.

We don’t have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn’t working. We have already spent over $400 billion since the early 1970s, and it is wasted money. Prohibition didn’t work. Prohibition on drugs doesn’t work. So we need to come to our senses. And, absolutely, it’s a disease. We don’t treat alcoholics like this. This is a disease, and we should orient ourselves to this. That is one way you could have equal justice under the law."

-Ron Paul, 2007 GOP Presidential Forum at Morgan State University, September 27, 2007


Death Penalty is Racist LINK

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“That’s a pretty good question. Because people, somebody asked me yesterday, "When was the last time you ever changed your opinion? And I said well, it's been a while since I've had a major change of opinion, but I try to understand and study and figure out how things work you know and become better at economics and all.

But on that issue (the death penalty), I did have a change of opinion. And I stated this in the debates last go around, they asked…they asked a similar question, ‘when did you change your opinion last?’ And uh, and it, that was just not overnight, but I, my position now is, that since I'm a federal official and I would be a U.S. president, is I do not believe in the federal death penalty and in my book “Liberty Defined”, I explain in it more detail , but basically I make the argument for, uh, against the death penalty but I would not come and say the federal government and the federal courts should tell the states they can't have the death penalty anymore. I don’t go that far.

But no, I just don't think the uh ..with the scientific evidence now- I think I read an article yesterday on the death penalty, and 68 percent of the time they make mistakes. And it’s so racist, too. I think more than half the people getting the death penalty are poor blacks. This is the one place, the one remnant of racism in our country is in the court system, enforcing the drug laws and enforcing the death penalty. I don’t even know, but I wonder how many of those, how many have been executed? Over 200, I wonder how many were minorities? You know, if you're rich, you usually don't meet the death penalty.”

-Ron Paul, Interview with the Concord Monitor Editorial Board, August 18, 2011, 75 minutes, 37 seconds


Government Legalized Racism is Cruel and Unjust LINK

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“No form of political organization, therefore, is immune to cruel abuses like the Jim Crow laws, whereby government sets out to legislate on how groups of human beings are allowed to interact with one another.

Peaceful civil disobedience to unjust laws, which I support with every fiber of my being, can sometimes be necessary at any level of government. It falls upon the people, in the last resort, to stand against injustice no matter where it occurs.

In the long run, the only way racism can be overcome is through the philosophy of individualism, which I have promoted throughout my life. Our rights come to us not because we belong to some group, but our rights come to us as individuals. And it is as individuals that we should judge one another.

Racism is a particularly odious form of collectivism whereby individuals are treated not on their merits but on the basis of group identity. Nothing in my political philosophy, which is the exact opposite of the racial totalitarianism of the twentieth century, gives aid or comfort to such thinking. To the contrary, my philosophy of individualism is the most radical intellectual challenge to racism ever posed.

Government exacerbates racial thinking and undermines individualism because its very existence encourages people to organize along racial lines in order to lobby for benefits for their group. That lobbying, in turn, creates animosity and suspicion among all groups, each of which believes that it is getting less of its fair share than the others.

Instead, we should quit thinking in terms of race—yes, in 2008 it is still necessary to say that we should Stop thinking in terms of race—and recognize that freedom and prosperity benefit all Americans.”

-Ron Paul, ‘The Revolution: A Manifesto”, 20


[quote]“But in order to attract Latino votes, I think, you know, too long this country has always put people in groups. They penalize people because they’re in groups, and then they reward people because they’re in groups.

But following up on what Newt was saying, we need a healthy economy, we wouldn’t be talking about this. We need to see everybody as an individual. And to me, seeing everybody as an individual means their liberties are protected as individuals and they’re treated that way and they’re never penalized that way.

So if you have a free and prosperous society, all of a sudden this group mentality melts away. As long as there’s no abuse — one place where there’s still a lot of discrimination in this country is in our court systems. And I think the minorities come up with a short hand in our court system."

-Ron Paul, CNN Western Republican Debate, October 18, 2011

Ron Paul defends individuals regardless of race LINK

Now just exactly who is willing to do more for racism in the USA?
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tiger1014
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tldr

Geaux Paul


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TheDoc
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How people can try to call Ron Paul a racist is laughable.


Deathrider
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I'm not going to call Paul racist without actually knowing whether or not he really is racist. However, he profited from racism. That's even more despicable.


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Layabout
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He suddenly got religion when he began having national political aspirations in the 2000's. In the 1990's he was pandering to a different group and the racism was overt and repugnant.


tiger1014
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Posted by Layabout He suddenly got religion when he began having national political aspirations in the 2000's. In the 1990's he was pandering to a different group and the racism was overt and repugnant.


Link?


Layabout
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For heaven's sake, google it yourself. Ron Paul published first-person columns in a newsletter bearing his name. They were copyrighted and he raked in money from them.

Were they ghost written? Probably. But here's what a ghost writer has to say about it:

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As I've mentioned before on here, I'm a senior public affairs staffer here in DC and actually AM a ghostwriter (as one of my many duties) for government and military leaders. I ghostwrite at least one nationally or internationally published piece a month and sometimes far more for newsletters, internal publications, the WASHINGTON POST, Associated Press, and prepare talking points for interviews. I can tell you that not once in 15 years of doing this, has my "principal" (the person who's byline is going on the piece) not read it in advance, offered critiques/made changes (sometimes), and/or personally approved the piece before it was sent for publication. Quite often, I'm not even the one who submits it for publication--it's often a chief of staff, head of communications, or the principal him/herself. Even in situations where I've been writing for someone for two years and we're in sync (no changes made at all anymore), the principal still reads and approves each one, even if it's cursory. It's unheard of not to, for reasons exactly such as this. And neither I nor anyone I know (we talked about this all week) in my field here in DC has EVER heard of a principal who doesn't (though we have heard of many who use the "I didn't write it, someone who worked for me did" excuse to distance themselves from something troubling--it happens frequently and we're used to it.) If a politician, government leader, or business leader allows something to go forth under his or her byline and does not read it before it is done, that opens up a whole other set of questions about their leadership and management style, whether they accept final responsibility for things that are done in their name (which happens frequently when you're President of the United States, almost by definition, as everything the Executive departments do, they do as agents of your administration) and whether they would continue to act in such a way in future positions/offices. All that is being done right now is the legitimate asking of questions by the press and the public about such things. I have no opinion about whether Dr. Paul wrote these things, and I'd like to believe he didn't believe them--God, I'd like to believe no one does. But you ARE responsible 100% for things that go out under the publication called "The Ron Paul Report" and written under your byline in the FIRST person, and sent to people who send YOU money to receive it and fully believe/are led to believe it's FROM YOU. He may have very good answers for all of this, it may have simply be a very, very stupid mistake (or laziness) to not read these (though it would be a HUGE and unlikely mistake) before they were mailed out, but either way, it's legitimate for people and the press to ask for that explanation and to explore, with appropriate journalistic assertiveness (and appropriate for his competitors and potential voters to ask), how this mistake would apply (if at all) to his future views, actions, and acceptance of responsibility if he is granted the honor of being President of the United States. We cannot be blinded by single issues. He's for government getting out of gay marriage issues, but he's (recently) taken a very very dim (bordering on anti-gay) view of homosexuality and believes we do NOT deserve anti-discrimination protections, does not believe in most civil rights legislation, and does not believe in hate crimes protections for gays, etc. So he won't stand in the way of our getting married--this is not a man who will advocate for Congress to allow us to do so, and who WILL advocate the repeal of anti-discrimination laws, hate crimes protections, and seek to abolish the view that gay people are a class who have been historically discriminated against and deserve pro-active domestic rights. All he is is against the government banning gay marriage--not for gays or gay rights. It's a HUGE difference. His stands on drug legalization and cutting the military have similar downsides that he simply refuses to acknowledge and discuss...leading me to believe he is unequipped to actually balance all the requirements of being President (which often requires sublimating personal views and ideology to compromise and/or protect the rights/views of the minority who you may disagree with but are still participant in government through congress). Finding out he either a) believed and wrote these things in the 90s or (WORSE) b) was such a hands-off leader he didn't bother to review/check/sign-off on something he took money from people to provide under his name (and now simply disavows all responsibility because it "wasn't me, personally") doesn't increase my confidence. Particuarly since I personally know intimately the way ghostwriting in government works.


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How people can try to call Ron Paul a racist is laughable.


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I B Freeman
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you got a newsletter article that Paul has disavowed and I posted what 5 or 6 links to different speeches and interviews Paul gave concerning race and you still want to paint him a bigot?

Is that the term you want to apply to anyone that doesn't tow the big government line?


TortiousTiger
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I dont think paul is racist and I dont think that newsletter is indicitive of his views...

HOW EVA

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I posted what 5 or 6 links to different speeches and interviews Paul gave concerning race and you still want to paint him a bigot?


racists usually dont come out and tell you that they're racist. Links to 5 or 6 speeches dont really prove anything.


I B Freeman
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Well certainly links to one don't prove anything either. It is an ugly accusation to make about someone when they have a clear history to the contrary don't you think?


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Turbeauxdog
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I dont think paul is racist and I dont think that newsletter is indicitive of his views... HOW EVA quote: I posted what 5 or 6 links to different speeches and interviews Paul gave concerning race and you still want to paint him a bigot? racists usually dont come out and tell you that they're racist. Links to 5 or 6 speeches dont really prove anything.


Don't get this, the only "evidence" of his racism was published, so that means he would have come out and said he was racist.



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Don't get this, the only "evidence" of his racism was published, so that means he would have come out and said he was racist.
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Don't get this, the only "evidence" of his racism was published, so that means he would have come out and said he was racist.


yet he then said it wasnt him that said it.



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How people can try to call Ron Paul a racist is laughable.
Stripping a dependent group of their collectivism and forcing them to stand on their own will cause those individuals to either sink or swim. Naturally the ones who sink won't accept the personal responsibility to make themselves better, and won't see any fault in themselves - they'll instead blame those who tried to force them to stand on their own.

And when personal responsibility disproportionately affects a minority race in a negative way, you've got "racism"


TheDoc
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Fact of the matter is that libertarians cannot be racist.
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tiger1014
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Were they ghost written? Probably. But here's what a ghost writer has to say about it:


Aka Ron Paul didn't write it or know about it.

"For Christ sake," why don't you google that. There is an interview about it less than a week ago from CNN


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