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FinkyStinger
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
God is female. If she were male there would be no gag reflex.


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Lsuchs
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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I agree. How can a spirit have a gender?


Use the liberals own argument: sex =\= gender.

It may not have matching sexual organs but God identifies as a man according to his son calling him father
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TBoy
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
The Holy Spirit has never had a gender.


mwade91383
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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Use the liberals own argument: sex =\= gender.

It may not have matching sexual organs but God identifies as a man according to his son calling him father



Which would make the conservative view about gender and who uses which bathroom totally bull shite as well, though. Can't have it both ways.

At least they're talking about humans, you're literally talking about God, who in no way takes the physical human form.





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KosmoCramer
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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It's a historical fact that Jesus was a male but that won't stop these idiots. So sad!


There weren't non-binary pronouns in classical languages.

That alone is absurd.


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DisplacedBuckeye
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
I can't think of many conversations more meaningless than the gender of a god.


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Cruiserhog
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
God doesnt exist and neither does his 'son'


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DavidTheGnome
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
God has a gender? How does that work? What would be the purpose?


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Green Chili Tiger
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next


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PuddinPopPharmacist
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
God is male in the figurative sense that he is the respected head of the house, has authority, and is the father of all which is. Likewise, man is said be made in his image as the bolder sex that is head of the house. Sorry if that is so sexist in the current year that it causes literal shaking. No one thinks God the father has literal man parts and to pretend that is what the contention is just being purposely obtuse. To refer to him as a she or a they is not how he wants us to address him according to the Bible which is the source for all Christian doctrine. Therefore, to do so is disobedient and an attempt to try and mock him. Not hard to understand.


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bfniii
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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But Jesus was literally a guy
how in the world can you be atheist? you're already acknowledging that Jesus existed. the historical evidence for an empty tomb is almost smooth jimmy apollo's lock of the week.


DavidTheGnome
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
Acknowledging that Jesus was a real person is a bit different than saying that he was a diety no?


Draconian Sanctions
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
Why would it be next?

Jesus was a male human being

God has no gender and it's absurd to continue to insist otherwise.


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Big Scrub TX
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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When you throw out the truth, any lie will do.
The truth that god is a dude?


bfniii
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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If he truly claimed to be the son of god he was either lying or deluded
not sure if serious


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bfniii
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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Acknowledging that Jesus was a real person is a bit different than saying that he was a diety no?
not when you examine the historical facts. they kiiiiiind of go together.


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mofungoo
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
The apostles asked Jesus if a man would be married in the afterlife to the woman he married while living. He replied, "for when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels in heaven". Mark 12:25

When we shed our bodies after death we become spiritual beings, "Made in the image of the Father".
Spiritual beings have no sex or gender.

MAGA


Mr. Misanthrope
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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If he truly claimed to be the son of god he was either lying or deluded
Three possibilities only. He lied. He was crazy/deluded. He was telling the truth.

You're an intelligent free thinker. Why not find out for yourself if the New Testament texts are reliable and historical? Do some digging and read some scholars that don't already share your disbelief and skepticism.

It is the Incarnation that is at the heart of what makes Christianity unique and complete. Without it all the Church's teachings, worship and sacraments are meaningless, irrelevant, and ineffectual.

The politically sensitive move to
remove masculine pronouns strikes at the heart of the Incarnation. C. S. Lewis believed that God the Father was not so much male but masculine to the extent that we all were something like feminine in comparison. God the alpha male maximimus and we humans all betas in comparison. Whatever. In any event it has nothing to do with patriarchy but rather the nature of God and order in creation.

Nevertheless, given all his options, God picked the man Jesus to be his son the man/God or God/man, however you want to phrase it.

This is not disputable as it is clearly set out in the New Testament and foreshadowed in the Old. You may not recognize or believe the Scriptures but you should be clear on what they teach that you disbelieve. I believe the stakes are high if one gets it wrong.


Mizzou4ever
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
I agree with your analysis for the most part. Just a few extra points.
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God picked the man Jesus to be his son the man/God or God/man, however you want to phrase it.
I'm not sure the Father picked Jesus, as the other way around, Jesus was spirit before becoming a man, equal to the Father and Holy Spirit, Jesus chose to humble himself in human form to accomplish what needed to be done. He was before creation and creation was made by him, and for him. He is the word of God manifested in the flesh, which includes speaking (the word) creation into existence.

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You may not recognize or believe the Scriptures but you should be clear on what they teach that you disbelieve. I believe the stakes are high if one gets it wrong.


Indeed they are high, and it doesn't get any higher than this. What a lot of people fail to realize is that they have an immortal soul, meaning they will live on into eternity. The kicker is where will they live? With their creator, or apart from him? People can be so flippant about the existence of God, when it's the most crucial part of being human. God made salvation so easy a young kid can understand it. Plus all the proof around, not only in creation, but archaeological finds backing up biblical history. I think most of the skeptics here, and anywhere else would be amazed if they really did their homework and sought out God, sad though many won't seek Him and prefer to believe the lie that the world feeds them.


bfniii
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re: Spinoff: if God is no longer gendered, the "son of god" is next
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Three possibilities only
the classic trilemma. however, some posit a fourth possibility, the quadrilemma, that Jesus was simply mistaken.

as much as i love c.s. lewis, this isn't my favorite approach. as i have posted several times in these threads, habermas' minimal facts argument is really, really tough to deny. the historical facts as we know them, and they are becoming more and more reliable as time passes, point to an empty tomb. that requires an explanation and refutes the idea that Jesus was mistaken about his divinity.

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It is the Incarnation that is at the heart of what makes Christianity unique and complete. Without it all the Church's teachings, worship and sacraments are meaningless, irrelevant, and ineffectual.
yep. 1 corinthians 15:14

my question to the church in the op would be - what is your response to that verse? are you reaching people for christ with your approach? the obvious answer is no. no one is being baptized, no one is hearing the gospel because of the liberal, progressive approach. the proof is in the pudding. those hated conservative, evangelical churches are still baptizing people regularly. they are still preaching the unpopular, difficult message as Christ stated in luke 12:49-56

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I believe the stakes are high if one gets it wrong
pascal's wager. sometimes gets a bum rap. it's actually a robust outworking of decision theory that any intelligent person should wrestle with

the approaches you have presented can start to work in concert to form a cumulative case apologetic. it becomes increasingly difficult to deny their combined weight, especially when adding others like the teleological argument, the fine tuning argument, etc.


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