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AbuTheMonkey
Notre Dame Fan
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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This is my biggest complaint with property tax votes. People with no skin in the game shouldn't be allowed to vote on them.


Eh, in a correctly functioning market, anyone who lives in a municipality has skin in the game. They might not exactly understand how and why, but property taxes affect them as well.

This is one thing I do think the Europeans have right, though. I'd rather pay more in income or cap gains than pay property taxes.
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auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
You know that place out there where they are building That new Toyota/Mazda plant? That's where I got laid the first time. Camped out there one weekend, and snuck one of the neighbor girls out of her window and took her over there. I thought I would have to get her drunk, so I had a case of Miller ponies, she didn't even drink 1.


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El Segundo Guy
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re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Eh, in a correctly functioning market, anyone who lives in a municipality has skin in the game. They might not exactly understand how and why, but property taxes affect them as well.


I'm with you on the first part however frick a higher capital gains rate.

The county I live in half of the year in southern Oklahoma just passed a property tax increase. I voted no but only 1100 people voted. It was kept quiet and pushed through on a special election.


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oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
5830 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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do you want to pay now to educate them and make them employable, or pay later to take care of (house and feed) them


You assume that for the most part the latter isn't going to happen in most cases anyway.


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bmy
East Carolina Fan
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
46437 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Why are non-property owners, allowed to vote on such an issue?


Because they pay them one way or another


auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Because they pay them one way or another


Not really, not since the section 8 housing rules changed.
If it causes rent increases, every tax payer foots the bill. Those section 8 apartment dwellers, really love them some new schools too. You know how they voted.


ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
70773 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
It's all good honestly. We've basically priced the riff raff out of our schools for the most part.


KiwiHead
LSU Fan
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
9952 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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They're trying to increase property taxes for schools here in Hoover, AL too. I will adamantly oppose any such increase.


Keep Alabama STUPID !!! No,seriously,keep Gumps as dumb as possible


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jnethe1
LSU Fan
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2012
6875 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Nothing I hate worse than property taxes. How did we allow ourselves to become serfs to the state?


I remember when I first learned about property taxes. Made me so mad. Then I found out that you have to pay them even after your property is paid off.

I mean wtf.

You’re essentially renting your entire existence. You never actually own shite.


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just1dawg
Mississippi St. Fan
The District
Member since Dec 2011
1202 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
Athens tried to raise its property tax by 12 mils as well in 2015. It failed. I remember there being criticism that people in the county could vote on the referendum only if they owned property within the city limits.


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auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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It's all good honestly. We've basically priced the riff raff out of our schools for the most part.

Not sure that's true, from what I understand, they live wherever they want now, instead of having a certain development that is their only choice?


ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
70773 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Not sure that's true, from what I understand, they live wherever they want now, instead of having a certain development that is their only choice?

Dude. Our schools are ranked high because we keep the riff raff out.

If we didn't, they schools wouldn't rank so high.

We haven't achieved zero riff raff, but, we are at the functional equivalent.


yatesdog38
Mississippi St. Fan
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
7689 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
property taxes are built into rent... if property taxes go up then landlords are going to increase their rent.

It really isn't that hard to understand. They are passing their tax costs onto the renter.

Renters have kids that attend those schools, many times the landlords live in another state or the property is owned by a hedge fund or property management company.

how are ignorant people like yourself allowed to vote?


auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Dude. Our schools are ranked high because we keep the riff raff out. If we didn't, they schools wouldn't rank so high. We haven't achieved zero riff raff, but, we are at the functional equivalent.


I moved away from the area in 2004, I thought it was getting pretty bad at that time. You live there, so if you think it's fine, well there you go.


ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
70773 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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I moved away from the area in 2004, I thought it was getting pretty bad at that time. You live there, so if you think it's fine, well there you go.

Both high schools here had more than half of their Seniors score 30 or better on their ACT.

Not half of those who took it. Half of ALL of their Seniors!


auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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property taxes are built into rent.

And there are a shite load of people who live rent free, courtesy of the taxpayers, even in Madison. They will always vote to get more, because they won't be paying for it. Somebody else will.
While my friends who still own considerable family property there, get shafted.
The idea that you must keep doing things to keep the municipality attractive, so more people want to come live there, seems to lead in a bad direction. Unless, you are in the real estate business.
Whatever, I don't want to live there anymore. It's been fricked up for a long time, as far as I'm concerned. That's why I moved away.



ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
70773 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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The idea that you must keep doing things to keep the municipality attractive, so more people want to come live there, seems to lead in a bad direction.

Why?

The housing market is so hot that virtually no NEW riff raff move in. So, over time, even if all original riff raff stay, their percent of the whole shrinks.

Meanwhile, my home value is moving solidly positive.

We have the best schools in the area by a WIDE margin.

If my company folded tomorrow, I'd have a job inside of 2 weeks.

You're gonna have to define "bad" for me.

I get that it's not as country as you'd like and frankly, I'd prefer less crowded also.

But, less crowded probably would mean none of the things I listed above would be true either.

Good with the bad.


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auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Both high schools here had more than half of their Seniors score 30 or better on their ACT. Not half of those who took it. Half of ALL of their Seniors!


Then why wouldn't you be satisfied with things as they are?
You just want to attract more people?




ShortyRob
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2008
70773 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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Then why wouldn't you be satisfied with things as they are?
You just want to attract more people?

The existence of the good schools is already an attractant. I don't even know what you mean.

It's not like we can build a wall around the place.


auggie
Auburn Fan
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
10939 posts

re: Special vote in Madison, Al. yesterday, for property tax increase...
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It's not like we can build a wall around the place.


That's what I would want to do, and then start running a bunch of people out.


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