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re: So The Same "God" That Allows Pedophiles To Run Rampant In His Churches Is Going To Assist
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:40 am to JiminyCricket
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:40 am to JiminyCricket
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In chess, let’s say a person makes an illegal move. It’s clear and easy for the two parties that are playing to refer to the rule book and determine if the move was legal or not. There’s objective framework from the designer of the game to determine if the move is legal or isn’t.
Congratulations, you just discovered the legal system.
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Absent an objective framework that is universally true, morality is shaped by our cultural norms and experiences and is inherently a personal and subjective opinion.
And yet I'm still giving you good reasons how moral codes can form without objective standards.
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Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:43 am to First Sergeant1
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You may look down your nose to us that have believed is Christ but if you die in your unbelief
I don't think I'm better than anyone who believes in a higher being.
Not even close to the point or intent of the OP.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:44 am to Azkiger
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"The guy who never speaks or shows up is deeply interested in a relationship with you."
This is so sophomoric it must be a joke.
The idea that the sum total of all Universal Energy Self-Awareness, Knowlege, Intellect and raw Power would be a "guy" is proof that any limited version (I.e., Soul) that draws such a conclusion, is not ready for prime time God awareness.
Carry on. Good luck. Have fun, "eat, drink and be merry...".
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:46 am to FooManChoo
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When we compare our words, thoughts, and actions to those of God, we do not measure up at all
Great, so why doesn't this higher being stop what is going on in his places of worship?
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:48 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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There isn't an atheist on the planet who blames your god for anything.
Ding ding. Winner
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:51 am to EZE Tiger Fan
I get your frustration and this isnt fully directed at you but atheiests are some of the wierdest ppl ever
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:51 am to Azkiger
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And yet I'm still giving you good reasons how moral codes can form without objective standards.
You've done nothing of the sort. You even admitted that codes can only be formed "once you have a framework". Where does the framework come from?
Posted on 3/1/25 at 7:57 am to SDVTiger
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I get your frustration and this isnt fully directed at you but atheiests are some of the wierdest ppl ever
Maybe, maybe not.
Again, I don't think I'm better than anyone that is religious. The people most near and dear to me in real life are all religious. I hate the way they are attacked by today's media and leftists (calling them Christian Nazis), but at the same time, there is a dark reality in what is happening in the places they worship. Many acknowledge it and of course, want it stopped. None of them support the actions of the pedophiles, but it does beg the question...
Why would a God allow this to take place in these sacred places? If this is allowed, then how are we to rid ourselves of these same actions on a global stage outside of the church? That same God that people are relying on to bring judgement since man is too weak to carry it out isn't really helping much.
Someone has to step up. Some man or woman has to take the position of "savior" and be brave enough to call it out and put the perps where they belong. So far we have had many talk a solid game, but won't. Then they say "well God will handle it". Uh...no...
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:00 am to RCDfan1950
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The idea that the sum total of all Universal Energy Self-Awareness, Knowlege, Intellect and raw Power would be a "guy" is proof that any limited version (I.e., Soul) that draws such a conclusion, is not ready for prime time God awareness.
But Christians get to speak of "relationships" with said sum total of all Universal Energy Self-Awareness, Knowlege, Intellect and raw Power.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:01 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Why would a God allow this to take place in these sacred places?
because he respects human free will. There will be consequences to their actions
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If this is allowed
Its been "allowed" since the dawn of time. Most likely it wont be stopped
But to blame the man upstairs for ppls disgusting behavior is odd to me
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:01 am to Flats
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Where does the framework come from?
You're new to this conversation. Take the time to go back a page or two to get oriented.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:06 am to SDVTiger
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I get your frustration and this isnt fully directed at you but SOME atheiests are some of the wierdest ppl ever
FIFY
Most of us don't reveal ourselves to you as being atheist, unless directly asked, because it just is not a relevant topic is most daily life situations.
I bet there are many people you know who you would not categorize as "weird" simply because you do not know that they are atheist.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:09 am to SDVTiger
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But to blame the man upstairs for ppls disgusting behavior is odd to me
I appreciate your discussion, but that's not what I am doing at all.
I understand the concept of free will in religion, etc. I am also aware this higher being is not the one committing the crimes.
What I am saying is that if people are relying on a higher being to stop this or worse, pass judgement in an afterlife, when these same actions happen right there where they worship this being, then we have no hope. If someone is going to stop this, it isn't going to be someone who goes to church, apparently. It is going to have to be someone else.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:17 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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What I am saying is that if people are relying on a higher being to stop this
They need to come to the reality that it wont ever be stopped
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judgement in an afterlife,
I do believe this will happen
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when these same actions happen right there where they worship this being, then we have no hope. If someone is going to stop this, it isn't going to be someone who goes to church, apparently. It is going to have to be someone else.
I agree with you. Its most likely not going to be stopped which is sad.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:25 am to Azkiger
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But Christians get to speak of "relationships" with said sum total of all Universal Energy Self-Awareness, Knowlege, Intellect and raw Power.
I am not too naive to believe that I can communicate directly with God (The Father), just too big. Albeit I do carry on a constant "relationship" with Jesus, God's Son - made in the image of man and who walked the bodily walk and died telling the Truth, for me - as I go through my daily folly. Because I truly believe that such exists, and to my own benefit. Just believing that inspires me to cultivate talents, imagine and plan future dream scenarios, and work toward refining the aspects of my character that will allow me to be successful in realizing said vision and the power therein. I will joyfully surrender this particular life/persona and the unique soul that I currently am, for the next, which will surely be a more wise and loving (according to my focused will and intent) one.
If I die and there is nothing beyond death, then there is no loss; but gain in the hopeful and enthusiastic life that I did live. That is the blessing of Faith. I simply bear witness to my own version of Belief, but have no compunction or responsibility to coerce others to enjoin me in said Belief. It is Jesus that "calls" people to the Father, and IMO, He does so according to that which those Souls have earned, in previous scenarios of the which we heretofore cannot witness. Time travel nws in the future.
I stick with Love, Jesus' Mercy, the realization guided by the Holy Spirit of Truth and fulfillment of Biblical Eschatological narratives, and the ultimate hope therein. Good enough and a worthy challenge.
To each their own.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:47 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:We have had this discussion before and you cannot support your statement. You bring nothing to these discussions except childish contrarianism (saying the equivalent of “nuh uh”) so you can sit this one out, sport.
Wrong, and you know it's wrong because we've had that exact discussion before.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:56 am to RCDfan1950
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If I die and there is nothing beyond death, then there is no loss
Just hedging your bet then.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 8:57 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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"A flood happened. See, told you my god is real."
Compare this to the largest flood event youve ever witnessed, and tell us how this isnt a "great flood", only survivable by having a massive boat. That would only be built if someone knew what was coming. Like an omniscient being
Plus, its now documented science
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at least two times the height of the World Trade Center
Posted on 3/1/25 at 9:01 am to SDVTiger
Yesah, so weird to NOT have an imaginary friend in the sky.
Go figure.
Go figure.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 9:01 am to Azkiger
quote:I don’t see how that changes anything.
Perhaps this is from a different conversation, but I think the strongest argument for the problem of evil would more be akin to natural evils claiming lives.
Evil would still need to be identified as such according to God’s standard. I don’t see how “natural evil” can exist apart from the law, and the law exists for man, not nature.
From the Christian perspective, “natural evils” are not evil in themselves, but works and judgments from the hand of God, whether for specific sins or for sin broadly, and ultimately for a greater good.
According to the Bible, all people have sinned and fall short of God’s glory, and the wages of sin is death. Therefore, since all people sin, all people deserve the death penalty from God. How He brings that about (old age, cancer, evil actions of other men, or a hurricane) is irrelevant to whether or not the death of a human is justified. The only difference is whether there was additional sin involved in the death (murder, for instance).
At the end of the day, God is either a divine and holy judge with the authority to work justly and righteously in His creation or He isn’t. If He is, then we need to view all actions through that light. And if He isn’t, we need to show why He doesn’t have the authority to judge sin in His creation.
This post was edited on 3/1/25 at 9:02 am
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