Six % Die of Covid 94 % Die With Covid

Oh there’s a metric.

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Have we discussed this?

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Yes but, coming from you is so much awesomer.

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Everything is so stupid.

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No doubt.

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We’re all going insane locked in our houses with no entertainment. Not a life has been saved and billions spent, and not a fricking metric in sight for what needs to happen for this utter bullshite to be over.

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Up is down. When has our government ever been reliable.

The other 94 percent makes you look dumb

Most of the people who died after being placed on ventilators don't show Covid as the cause of death. Those will be likely show respiratory failure.

Think of it like a car accident. Not all official causes of death are listed as "car accident". Instead the cause will be listed as one of the injuries sustained in the accident. That doesn't mean they didn't die as the result of a car crash.

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Many who linger for days or weeks on the ventilator may actually be virus-free (negative COVID test) when they die

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A 25 yo tests positive for the virus having been tested alfor his work. Never exhibits symptoms. A week later he’s tested again and is virus-free. 50 days later he dies in motorcycle accident. He is a COVID death as per the CDC.

The whole shitshow is a joke. An expensive joke.

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GeauxTrain

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You’re either a complete idiot, OR willfully intellectually dishonest. The latter is evil btw.

Friend,

Reported ad nas here. This is not a new finding. The CDC has been reporting this data for months. From the beginning the CDC and other health agencies have told us that those who are most likely to have severe disease from coronavirus are the obese (43% of American adults are obese), have heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease, severe COPD, or live in an immune compromised state.

The conclusion that is seeping out the conspiracy theorist's mind is that 94% of the deaths attributed to covid are not caused by covid, which is foolish. The "doctors" of Qhiropractic "medicine" and small town news reporters that are tweeting this headline do not seem to know how to interpret this data.

There are two things at play here: first, pre-existing conditions, like diabetes or obesity, and second, complications caused by coronavirus 2019.

For pre-existing conditions, yes, these are the people who have a much greater chance of having severe disease. If you have a gut or have even treated diabetes, you are far more likely to get a severe disease from this virus, just as you are with influenza, although, because covid-19 transmits much faster and more broadly, it will hospitalize many more than the average influenza. These underlying conditions often, and if the doctor did his or her job, should show up in a covid-19 patient's medical record. When reviewing those who are said to have died from covid-19, you will often find these pre-existing illnesses that were not caused by the disease.

You will also find in these same medical records other diagnoses -- the complications of the coronavirus 2019 that often killed the person: acute respiratory distress syndrome, hypoxic failure, respiratory failure, cardiac failure, pulmonary embolism, pneumonia, etc.

Because a person has multiple diagnoses in their chart does not mean that the person died of, say, diabetes mellitus 2. However, when you see a diagnosis such as ARDS or respiratory failure and they had covid-19 and no other diagnosis of infection or recent trauma, it is almost assuredly a death caused by covid-19.

It is sad that we have become so distrusting of our institutions, on both sides of the political aisle, that we jump to the worst possible conclusion when given only partial data. Rioters see the headline, "Person shot by police." They return to riot. Right wing internetters see a headline they think diminishes the severity of covid-19 and they say, "The pandemic is a hoax." Different starting point, and hopefully different end point, but similar irrational discernment.

The matter of when we can open up society as it was before this virus spread is another matter. But to use bad arguments to make your case will only hurt your case. I suggest recognize what is true, and use what is true to make your case.

Yours,
TulaneLSU

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You’re either a complete idiot, OR willfully intellectually dishonest. The latter is evil btw.

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Coming from a conspiracy nutter. Whatever shall I do?

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You’re either a complete idiot, OR willfully intellectually dishonest. The latter is evil btw.

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His initial post is correct.

6% of covid deaths had covid alone listed as cause of death. Those deaths with pneumonia and covid both listed (for example) are real covid deaths. Renal failure due to covid, cardiac events due to covid, etc. None of those would have “covid alone” listed as cause of death but certainly can be attributed to a covid infection.

This is a lot like the (June?) CDC table that people thought was proof deaths were being significantly over-counted, all because they didn’t include one of the “pneumonia + covid” columns. Once you did, total covid related deaths were consistent with reported figures.

Anyone who interprets this CDC report as “only 6% of people reported actually died from covid,” is the complete idiot.

4794 deaths listed with Covid as a comorbidity were from accidental or self inflicted harm.