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Six % Die of Covid 94 % Die With Covid
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:30 pm
So the CDC made some announcement that only 6 percent of Covid Deaths were directly attributable to
Covid. The remainder related to very advanced age or persons with 2 or more comorbidities.
Have we discussed this? And why did I watch Sunday News Shows Today and I had to learn this Information from Clay Travis.
Everything is so stupid.
We’re all going insane locked in our houses with no entertainment. Not a life has been saved and billions spent, and not a fricking metric in sight for what needs to happen for this utter bullshite to be over.
DBAP
Covid. The remainder related to very advanced age or persons with 2 or more comorbidities.
Have we discussed this? And why did I watch Sunday News Shows Today and I had to learn this Information from Clay Travis.
Everything is so stupid.
We’re all going insane locked in our houses with no entertainment. Not a life has been saved and billions spent, and not a fricking metric in sight for what needs to happen for this utter bullshite to be over.
DBAP
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:33 pm to Wednesday
The 6% number is misleading, that's only the number of stated causes of death that ONLY list Covid. It doesn't include the causes that were a result of Covid. Many Covid deaths are respiratory failure or pneumonia, for example, that fall in the other 94%.
6% is a clickbait trap to make you look dumb.
6% is a clickbait trap to make you look dumb.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:34 pm to Wednesday
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Have we discussed this?
Yes but, coming from you is so much awesomer.
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Everything is so stupid.
No doubt.
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We’re all going insane locked in our houses with no entertainment. Not a life has been saved and billions spent, and not a fricking metric in sight for what needs to happen for this utter bullshite to be over.
Up is down. When has our government ever been reliable.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:36 pm to GeauxTrain
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The 6% number is misleading, that's only the number of stated causes of death that ONLY list Covid. It doesn't include the causes that were a result of Covid. Many Covid deaths are respiratory failure or pneumonia, for example, that fall in the other 94%.
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Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:36 pm to GeauxTrain
The other 94 percent makes you look dumb
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:37 pm to Wednesday
Don’t get sucked into this deceptive Facebook crap. Everyone knows, and has known since the beginning, the underlying conditions vastly increase the chances of a more severe case, and a negative outcome.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:40 pm to Stellytiger
Most of the people who died after being placed on ventilators don't show Covid as the cause of death. Those will be likely show respiratory failure.
Think of it like a car accident. Not all official causes of death are listed as "car accident". Instead the cause will be listed as one of the injuries sustained in the accident. That doesn't mean they didn't die as the result of a car crash.
Think of it like a car accident. Not all official causes of death are listed as "car accident". Instead the cause will be listed as one of the injuries sustained in the accident. That doesn't mean they didn't die as the result of a car crash.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:40 pm to Wednesday
Many who linger for days or weeks on the ventilator may actually be virus-free (negative COVID test) when they die.
This doesn’t mean they didn’t die of complications from COVID-19. This is all semantics of reporting. I’m not saying many deaths aren’t inaccurately reported, but that people who die from complications or secondary organ failure from COVID have indeed die from COVID.
This doesn’t mean they didn’t die of complications from COVID-19. This is all semantics of reporting. I’m not saying many deaths aren’t inaccurately reported, but that people who die from complications or secondary organ failure from COVID have indeed die from COVID.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:44 pm to pleading the fifth
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Many who linger for days or weeks on the ventilator may actually be virus-free (negative COVID test) when they die
A 25 yo tests positive for the virus having been tested alfor his work. Never exhibits symptoms. A week later he’s tested again and is virus-free. 50 days later he dies in motorcycle accident. He is a COVID death as per the CDC.
The whole shitshow is a joke. An expensive joke.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:45 pm to GeauxTrain
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GeauxTrain
You’re either a complete idiot, OR willfully intellectually dishonest. The latter is evil btw.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:46 pm to TBoy
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Don’t get sucked into this deceptive Facebook crap.
Ok genius. What is the metric we have to meet for me to stop having to go to buy potting soil in an outdoor nursery in 95 degree heat without a fricking mask on?
What needs to happen so we can stop being punished for the bad virus and start going to bars and football games and offices? Plus - How many fricking 90 year olds are going to either?
You know how I know you’re not smart? I’ve never once seen you question any drop of information provided to you the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party. Smart people ask questions. Not smart people memorize answers to impress other people.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:46 pm to Wednesday
Friend,
Reported ad nas here. This is not a new finding. The CDC has been reporting this data for months. From the beginning the CDC and other health agencies have told us that those who are most likely to have severe disease from coronavirus are the obese (43% of American adults are obese), have heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease, severe COPD, or live in an immune compromised state.
The conclusion that is seeping out the conspiracy theorist's mind is that 94% of the deaths attributed to covid are not caused by covid, which is foolish. The "doctors" of Qhiropractic "medicine" and small town news reporters that are tweeting this headline do not seem to know how to interpret this data.
There are two things at play here: first, pre-existing conditions, like diabetes or obesity, and second, complications caused by coronavirus 2019.
For pre-existing conditions, yes, these are the people who have a much greater chance of having severe disease. If you have a gut or have even treated diabetes, you are far more likely to get a severe disease from this virus, just as you are with influenza, although, because covid-19 transmits much faster and more broadly, it will hospitalize many more than the average influenza. These underlying conditions often, and if the doctor did his or her job, should show up in a covid-19 patient's medical record. When reviewing those who are said to have died from covid-19, you will often find these pre-existing illnesses that were not caused by the disease.
You will also find in these same medical records other diagnoses -- the complications of the coronavirus 2019 that often killed the person: acute respiratory distress syndrome, hypoxic failure, respiratory failure, cardiac failure, pulmonary embolism, pneumonia, etc.
Because a person has multiple diagnoses in their chart does not mean that the person died of, say, diabetes mellitus 2. However, when you see a diagnosis such as ARDS or respiratory failure and they had covid-19 and no other diagnosis of infection or recent trauma, it is almost assuredly a death caused by covid-19.
It is sad that we have become so distrusting of our institutions, on both sides of the political aisle, that we jump to the worst possible conclusion when given only partial data. Rioters see the headline, "Person shot by police." They return to riot. Right wing internetters see a headline they think diminishes the severity of covid-19 and they say, "The pandemic is a hoax." Different starting point, and hopefully different end point, but similar irrational discernment.
The matter of when we can open up society as it was before this virus spread is another matter. But to use bad arguments to make your case will only hurt your case. I suggest recognize what is true, and use what is true to make your case.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
Reported ad nas here. This is not a new finding. The CDC has been reporting this data for months. From the beginning the CDC and other health agencies have told us that those who are most likely to have severe disease from coronavirus are the obese (43% of American adults are obese), have heart disease, diabetes, kidney disease, severe COPD, or live in an immune compromised state.
The conclusion that is seeping out the conspiracy theorist's mind is that 94% of the deaths attributed to covid are not caused by covid, which is foolish. The "doctors" of Qhiropractic "medicine" and small town news reporters that are tweeting this headline do not seem to know how to interpret this data.
There are two things at play here: first, pre-existing conditions, like diabetes or obesity, and second, complications caused by coronavirus 2019.
For pre-existing conditions, yes, these are the people who have a much greater chance of having severe disease. If you have a gut or have even treated diabetes, you are far more likely to get a severe disease from this virus, just as you are with influenza, although, because covid-19 transmits much faster and more broadly, it will hospitalize many more than the average influenza. These underlying conditions often, and if the doctor did his or her job, should show up in a covid-19 patient's medical record. When reviewing those who are said to have died from covid-19, you will often find these pre-existing illnesses that were not caused by the disease.
You will also find in these same medical records other diagnoses -- the complications of the coronavirus 2019 that often killed the person: acute respiratory distress syndrome, hypoxic failure, respiratory failure, cardiac failure, pulmonary embolism, pneumonia, etc.
Because a person has multiple diagnoses in their chart does not mean that the person died of, say, diabetes mellitus 2. However, when you see a diagnosis such as ARDS or respiratory failure and they had covid-19 and no other diagnosis of infection or recent trauma, it is almost assuredly a death caused by covid-19.
It is sad that we have become so distrusting of our institutions, on both sides of the political aisle, that we jump to the worst possible conclusion when given only partial data. Rioters see the headline, "Person shot by police." They return to riot. Right wing internetters see a headline they think diminishes the severity of covid-19 and they say, "The pandemic is a hoax." Different starting point, and hopefully different end point, but similar irrational discernment.
The matter of when we can open up society as it was before this virus spread is another matter. But to use bad arguments to make your case will only hurt your case. I suggest recognize what is true, and use what is true to make your case.
Yours,
TulaneLSU
This post was edited on 8/30/20 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:48 pm to pleading the fifth
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This doesn’t mean they didn’t die of complications from COVID-19.
Actually it means the opposite. They died of complications from whatever their underlying illness was. Covid doesn’t cause hypertension, for example.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:48 pm to ScoopAndScore
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You’re either a complete idiot, OR willfully intellectually dishonest. The latter is evil btw.
Coming from a conspiracy nutter. Whatever shall I do?
Posted on 8/30/20 at 8:49 pm to TulaneLSU
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It is sad that we have become so distrusting of our institutions, on both sides of the political aisle, that we jump to the worst possible conclusion when given only partial data. Rioters see the headline, "Person shot by police." They return to riot. Right wing internetters see a headline they think diminishes the severity of covid-19 and they say, "The pandemic is a hoax." Different starting point, and hopefully different end point, but similar irrational discernment.
Bingo.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:01 pm to ScoopAndScore
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You’re either a complete idiot, OR willfully intellectually dishonest. The latter is evil btw.
His initial post is correct.
6% of covid deaths had covid alone listed as cause of death. Those deaths with pneumonia and covid both listed (for example) are real covid deaths. Renal failure due to covid, cardiac events due to covid, etc. None of those would have “covid alone” listed as cause of death but certainly can be attributed to a covid infection.
This is a lot like the (June?) CDC table that people thought was proof deaths were being significantly over-counted, all because they didn’t include one of the “pneumonia + covid” columns. Once you did, total covid related deaths were consistent with reported figures.
Anyone who interprets this CDC report as “only 6% of people reported actually died from covid,” is the complete idiot.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:10 pm to Wednesday
As a Nurse working in hospitals all over the Country, I have been saying this since day 1. bullshite of the highest order.
This post was edited on 8/30/20 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:13 pm to Tigahs24Seven
4794 deaths listed with Covid as a comorbidity were from accidental or self inflicted harm.
Posted on 8/30/20 at 9:16 pm to GeauxTrain
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It is sad that we have become so distrusting of our institutions, on both sides of the political aisle, that we jump to the worst possible conclusion when given only partial data.
What’s sad is our institutions have become so politically bent that they are untrustworthy.
Answer a question for me - what public good is derived from reporting a motorcycle accident victim a Covid death? Why shouldn’t the informed public be skeptical of this type of BS? Why shouldn’t we feel manipulated for someone else’s political gain?
This post was edited on 8/30/20 at 9:18 pm
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