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Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:59 am to moneyg
quote:Multiple dudes asked for just 1 example pretending it didn't exist. They got an example(there are more than 1).
You pointed to a Nevada case. Everyone knows that PA, MI, WI, GA, and AZ are higher on the food chain
Now people are crawfishing instead of admitting they were wrong.
LINK
Here is yet another judge stating was expecting Trump's lawsuit to present evidence, but they did not, so...
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Brann, in his ruling, said he expected the campaign to present formidable evidence of rampant corruption as it sought to nullify millions of votes. Instead, he said, the campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations.”
Posted on 2/24/21 at 12:15 pm to ksayetiger
quote:Are you saying they had evidence and were not allowed to submit or they were denied access to evidence?
they were denied the actual evidence to submit.
Either way, Trump's team over and over and over and over said they had evidence. They 100% had a chance to submit, they 100% did not submit to judges who were expecting to see evidence. Those are undeniable facts.
Posted on 2/24/21 at 2:00 pm to bfniii
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you could show that the internet connections cited in the report are wrong. that they never happened. have you done that?
I think we know the systems were connected to the internet.
There has been no evidence presented that I'm aware of that shows that specific connections were made to these systems and that data was manipulated.
The former doesn't prove that the latter occurred. You seem to be making a huge leap.
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you're all hung up on this when there are other, more immediate concerns, namely, the connections cited in the report
It's important because Sidney said it. It being inaccurate affects her credibility. That's been my point all along.
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yeah the conspirators are going to out themselves
Sidney said "our forces" confiscated the servers.
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“The servers at Scytl in Germany were confiscated the other day,” Powell told Beck during a 15-minute conversation related to voter fraud claims made by President Trump. “I’m hearing it was our forces that got those servers, so I think the government is now working on an investigation of what really happened.”
Are you suggesting that those that confiscated the servers are the conspirators?
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said no reasonable person ever. it's called a cover up. the effort to discredit powell without ANY factual, contrary data whatsoever should be a clue to you
I believe there is a cover up of the fraud. That doesn't mean that every accusation holds merit.
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of course you don't. yet you've been going on and on about how you know this and you know that
You mentioned a "cyber report" but just linked the court filings.
Are you simply pointing to the supposed evidence that these systems were connected to the Internet? Or, are you saying there is another report that show that active connections were made and votes were changed. If it's the latter, can you be more specific to what you are referring?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 4:25 pm to shel311
quote:right but did the judge say WHY the plaintiffs evidence from testimony wasn't sufficient? B. i, ii and iii just said "i don't like their info." the info itself wasn't dealt with. you see that don't you? the evidence wasn't investigated. it was dismissed by some procedural motion.
The judge said
the judge complained that the plaintiffs didn't depose their witnesses which meant they couldn't be cross examined. well why didn't the judge subpoena them? the challengers are just trying to get the info into the court so that investigation can be started. the judge stymied that.
how does the judge know that the statements were of no evidentiary value until they're investigated? he doesn't. saying that gessler didn't independently corroborate his data is something the defense should be responsible for. why should gessler be responsible for debunking his own data? he got the data, it says what it says. it was presented to the judge. the judge didn't bother to find out if it was true or not. he just dismissed it on a technicality.
i could go on
Posted on 2/24/21 at 4:29 pm to shel311
quote:i responded clearly. yes, the title says what you said. the content absolutely does not. it's not my fault you aren't sophisticated enough to pick up on that.
Now people are crawfishing instead of admitting they were wrong
did the judge/defense REFUTE the actual data? yes or no
or did he just dismiss because he didn't like how it was presented? if you're honest, then you know the case wasn't dismissed because of a lack of evidence. the evidence was there, it was presented. the judge that how the data was acquired and presented constituted no evidence, which is farcical
quote:which is a subjective evaluation of the evidence presented, not a lack of evidence, right?
the campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations.”
and btw, you were asked for a case. you presented ONE case that was questionable. how about the other 60+?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 7:23 pm to shel311
quote:this is factually wrong and the case you cited is proof. they cited evidence. the judge just didn't like how it had been acquired and organized so he dismissed. this happened over and over for dozens of cases. the evidence was repeatedly dismissed on merit, procedure or standing. never because of examination and cross examination before a jury.
they 100% did not submit to judges who were expecting to see evidence
quote:you are objectively wrong
Those are undeniable facts
Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:04 pm to moneyg
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very false informatio
Do we know for certain it’s false?
Posted on 2/24/21 at 11:07 pm to bfniii
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gullible Trump voters.
This fool bought the Russian collusion narrative hook, line and sinker. Also believes the embassy attack in Benghazi was over a Youtube video.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:03 am to moneyg
quote:i cited 4 cases for you. i don't know why you are saying this. nothing in that report has been refuted except with a handwave from krebs and the cisa
There has been no evidence presented that I'm aware of that shows that specific connections were made to these systems
quote:absolutely it does. without question.
The former doesn't prove that the latter occurred
quote:that kind of cloak and dagger stuff, we might NEVER know the truth. what we do know as of now is that there is publicly available cyberdata showing machines online with foreign address being connected to by other machines with foreign addresses. that is the immediate concern and that is something people actually have the power to do something about
It's important because Sidney said it. It being inaccurate affects her credibility. That's been my point all along
quote:again, whoever those people are might never see the light of day as far as testimony/affirmation goes. that might be classified until you're long dead. you're barking up the wrong tree
Sidney said "our forces" confiscated the servers
quote:nor does it mean that you should just blithely treat powell like she's some untrustworthy source of info who is in it for the money/book deal, right?
That doesn't mean that every accusation holds merit
quote:the court filings mention the report. the report is online for you to read. i cited the decisions because you and others have been acting like powell's been holding out all this time and therefore is untrustworthy.
You mentioned a "cyber report" but just linked the court filings
quote:you are making this harder than it is. it's obvious you don't know all the details on this matter, you've made an uninformed opinion about powell and you've lectured me about not keeping up. now you're asking me to do the legwork to get you up to speed.
Are you simply pointing to the supposed evidence that these systems were connected to the Internet? Or, are you saying there is another report that show that active connections were made and votes were changed. If it's the latter, can you be more specific to what you are referring?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:07 am to TS1926
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Do we know for certain it’s false?
I guess the answer is no. But, that's what I'm hoping Powell would do. She made a lot of accusations since the election. Some of those accusations seem highly unlikely (at minimum) to be true. She should set the record straight on anything that she has learned isn't true.
Until she's willing to do that, I simply don't give her comments that "undeniable proof is coming" an ounce of credibility.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:10 am to moneyg
quote:since i know you are going to just do more whining and playing games, i'll bring the report to you along with every other thing i've brought to you so you can be informed and stop saying stupid stuff and wasting everyone's time defending an uninformed position
moneyg
cyberdata report showing connections
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:12 am to shel311
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evidence of rampant corruption
This is nice. He did not say none or some just Rampant.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:15 am to bfniii
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The former doesn't prove that the latter occurred
absolutely it does. without question.
I'm starting to think you simply have a reading comprehension issue.
That the machines had a physical connection to the internet does not prove that people overseas modified the voting results.
It's absolutely still a security problem...a huge one. But the existence of a connection doesn't prove it was used.
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that kind of cloak and dagger stuff, we might NEVER know the truth. what we do know as of now is that there is publicly available cyberdata showing machines online with foreign address being connected to by other machines with foreign addresses. that is the immediate concern and that is something people actually have the power to do something about
Finally, this is a specific accusation. I don't believe this accusation was included in the lawsuits. But, I'm still waiting for your response. If I'm wrong, and you can point to the section, I'll gladly read it and acknowledge it.
As for this "public cyber data", can you tell me anything about it? I'm assuming this is the source of information used by the Lindell/Fanning group.
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the court filings mention the report. the report is online for you to read
Please point out the report you are referencing. I'll even google it.
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you are making this harder than it is. it's obvious you don't know all the details on this matter, you've made an uninformed opinion about powell and you've lectured me about not keeping up. now you're asking me to do the legwork to get you up to speed.
I'm probably giving you way too much credit in acknowledging that you might be right and that you might have info I haven't seen.
It's pretty telling you won't be specific to what you are referring. But, I'll keep an open mind in case you can point to the cyber report.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:15 am to bfniii
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since i know you are going to just do more whining and playing games, i'll bring the report to you along with every other thing i've brought to you so you can be informed and stop saying stupid stuff and wasting everyone's time defending an uninformed position
cyberdata report showing connections
reading now
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:38 am to bfniii
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since i know you are going to just do more whining and playing games, i'll bring the report to you along with every other thing i've brought to you so you can be informed and stop saying stupid stuff and wasting everyone's time defending an uninformed position
That report is effectively a security audit of DominionVoting.com and its interrelated connected domains (some external).
It does not address or point out specific active connections made to those endpoints during the election nor allege that votes were modified.
I'm not saying the information isn't important. But, that particular report doesn't say anything about votes being changed.
Can we agree on this?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 9:55 am to SDVTiger
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republican appointed judges who scolded the Trump lawsuits for lack of evidence
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Please provide just one link for this claim please
Third Circuit (Scolding - Judge Bibas, Trump appointee)
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Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.
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The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory.
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Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit.
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This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 9:57 am to Seldom Seen
I want it to happen so bad but it will never happen. You're better off using the time to read to your grandkids.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:27 am to moneyg
quote:it's not lost on me that you have changed your position on this matter. you went from known false to unlikely. good for you. step in the right direction
Some of those accusations seem highly unlikely (at minimum) to be true
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