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TerryDawg03
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
The fact that this is even a feasible question to some is preposterous.


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ApexTiger
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
Sad it's even a question


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Bogie00
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5508 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
NO

It is ludicrous that state are counting illegals for congressional seats.


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Korin
Florida Fan
Member since Jan 2014
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
No. I guess that makes me a "racist."


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Lawyered
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
frick no.


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geaux88
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Member since Oct 2003
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
What an insane question!! Absolutely NO! Why would you even ask that question?


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AggieHank86
Texas A&M Fan
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
11814 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
Ideologically? No.

Constitutionally? Yes, unfortunately. It is not remotely a close call. We are required to count “persons,” not only “citizens” ... and to apportion accordingly.

Sometimes we must simply accept that the Constitution just does not SAY that which we WISH it said. This is the reason Article V was written.
This post was edited on 7/11 at 10:58 pm


Muleriderhog
Arkansas Fan
Member since Jan 2015
1047 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
frick no. If you aren't a US citizen, you shouldn't be represented in the US government. The fact this is even a question is beyond the realm of stupidity and shows how far down the shitter half of our country is.


Crow Pie
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
frick no.


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Muleriderhog
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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Constitutionally? Yes, unfortunately. It is not remotely a close call

This is bull shite and you know it. The US constitution strictly applies to US citizens you fricking idiot.


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rpg37
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Member since Sep 2008
34211 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
Based on those numbers, Trump would have gained +14 electoral votes. So....if we stopped using illegal aliens, the GOP basically wins New Jersey off the bat.


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AggieHank86
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Texas
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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quote:

Constitutionally? Yes, unfortunately. It is not remotely a close call
This is bull shite and you know it. The US constitution strictly applies to US citizens you fricking idiot.
Whatever course taught you this nonsense, I suggest that you retake it at a better school.


rpg37
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2008
34211 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
Well, does it say citizens or persons? If it says citizens, then why has no one ever really come forth in suggesting this be looked at it in the past? And it would be irony to hear the CA folks saying they are so disenfranchised by the electoral college to actually see them lose the most power.


xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
35361 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
It’s a more complicated question than most give it credit for, and here’s why.

The presence of illegals in a state means that that state’s resources are, to some extent, used by illegals.

The presence of illegals is the result of the federal government having failed to enforce its immigration laws.

A state hasn’t the authority to deport illegals.

Doesn’t that state have the right to say to the feds?, “If you won’t get rid of them, and they’re using our resources, we’re counting them for purposes of representation.”

ETA: What I’ve explained is a somewhat hypothetical situation. The two biggest states in terms of this are California and Texas, who are mirror images of each other in a way:

- California wouldn’t take the stance I mention above because it dares the feds to deport, which blue California doesn’t want.

- Texas wouldn’t take this stance because counting illegals legitimizes their presence here, which red Texas doesn’t want.

But imagine if New Hampshire were in this position. I guarantee they’d push to count their illegals if it gave them another seat in the house.
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Mickey Goldmill
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
8907 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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This is bull shite and you know it. The US constitution strictly applies to US citizens you fricking idiot.


(Quick google....first result is from penn state law..)

Yes, immigrants are protected by the U.S. Constitution. The brief answer is “Yes.” When it comes to key constitutional provisions like due process and equal treatment under the law, the U.S. Constitution applies to all persons – which includes both documented and undocumented immigrants – and not just U.S. citizens.


Mickey Goldmill
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Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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Well, does it say citizens or persons? If it says citizens, then why has no one ever really come forth in suggesting this be looked at it in the past? And it would be irony to hear the CA folks saying they are so disenfranchised by the electoral college to actually see them lose the most power.


It does not say citizens. It says persons.


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roadGator
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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undocumented immigrants


Illegal aliens


Mickey Goldmill
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RockyMtnTigerWDE
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re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
Absolutely not


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spacewrangler
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In my easy chair with my boots on
Member since Sep 2009
8566 posts

re: Should Illegal Aliens count towards congressional representation?
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Doesn’t that state have the right to say to the feds?, “If you won’t get rid of them, and they’re using our resources, we’re counting them for purposes of representation.”


What about the states like CA that enact sanctuary laws and twart the Fed from being able to find and deport said illegals?


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