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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous

Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:58 am to
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:58 am to
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It's 1 country so what where they are from. ???



Jeaux, is this some cryptic satanic message?
Posted by volnavy
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 6:46 am to
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Enough Non New Yorkers here bitched about the stupid soda law passed by the soon to be former mayor.


Expressing opinions is one thing. Asserting your will on others is another.

Who outside of New York was suing them over the soda ban?
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 7:29 am to
As an oklahoman I don't want to limit who can donate a monument to my state just because they don't live here
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:05 am to
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As an oklahoman I don't want to limit who can donate a monument to my state just because they don't live here



Kim-Jong-Un arrives to donate a monument to oklahogjr's state

This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 8:06 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 8:32 am to
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As an oklahoman I don't want...


Irrelevant...really. The majority of Oklahomans probably didn't want the ACA...but they got it cramed down their throats by a majority Congress. And a majority of the Supreme Court.

If the majority of Oklahomans want to put a statue of Jesus in the lobby of the State Congress...they can do it.

What is it, O...the Rule of Men or the Rule of Law?

Merry Christmas.

Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 9:37 am to
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.the Rule of Men or the Rule of Law?
considering the law is written by men whats the difference
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:21 am to


The group has unveiled their design of the statue.

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"The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond," temple spokesman Lucien Greaves said in a statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:43 am to
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No. They are a symbol of legal heritage. If you'd like to assert that Hammurabi's Code should be there, you'd have some standing. The Satanist thing is off point and silly.
so you're saying without the Ten Commandments we wouldn't have laws against stealing and murder?

If the Ten Commandments is part of our legal heritage where are the laws preventing coveting your neighbor's wife?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:19 am to
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No. They are a symbol of legal heritage. If you'd like to assert that Hammurabi's Code should be there, you'd have some standing. The Satanist thing is off point and silly.

so you're saying without the Ten Commandments we wouldn't have laws against stealing and murder?
Wow.
Considering the post you responded to, that is really silly.

Why, in your estimation, are the Ten Commandments featured throughout the SCOTUS?
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:35 am to
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Why, in your estimation, are the Ten Commandments featured throughout the SCOTUS?
because self-described "Christians" use that fallacy as a means to get their religious symbolism in a govt building. The same reasoning you're using.

Posted by The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:50 am to
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Which for some reason he thinks is wonderful. Total anarchy sounds good eh


maybe increase the value of bitcoins?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:54 am to
If freedom OF religion doesn't mean freedom FROM religion - then it doesn't mean freedom FROM - ANY - Religion.

Sorry guys!
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:03 am to
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because self-described "Christians" use that fallacy as a means to get their religious symbolism in a govt building.
quote:

Menes (c. 3200 B.C.) First King of the first dynasty of ancient Egypt. He unified Upper and Lower Egypt under his rule and is
one of the earliest recorded lawgivers. Menes is shown in the frieze holding the ankh, an Egyptian symbol for life.

Hammurabi (c. 1700s B.C.) King of Babylon credited with founding the Babylonian Empire. He is known for the Code of
Hammurabi, one of the earliest known legal codes. The first stone of the Code depicts him receiving the law from the
Babylonian Sun God.

Moses (c. 1300s B.C.) Prophet, lawgiver, and judge of the Israelites. Mosaic Law is based on the Torah, the first five books of
the Old Testament. Moses is depicted in the frieze holding two overlapping tablets, written in Hebrew, representing the Ten
Commandments. Partially visible from behind Moses’ beard are Commandments six through ten.

Solomon (c. 900s B.C.) King of Israel and renowned judge. His name, meaning “figure of the wise man,” has become
synonymous with “judicial wisdom.”

Lycurgus (c. 800 B.C.) Legislator of Sparta. Lycurgus is credited with being one of the reformers of Sparta’s constitution. He
left Sparta after convincing the Spartan leadership not to change his laws until he returned, but he never did.

Solon (c. 638 - 558 B.C.) Athenian lawgiver. He was appointed archon, an officer of state, and was charged with remodeling
the Athenian constitution in 594 B.C. He was instrumental in codifying and reforming Athenian law, often revising the laws of
Draco. His name has come to mean “a wise and skillful lawgiver.”

Draco (c. 600s B.C.) One of Solon’s legal predecessors in Athens. Around 620 B.C., he committed an Athenian code of laws to
paper for the first time. His code included many strict penalties and death sentences, often for what seemed to be minor offenses.
Thus, the word “draconian,” meaning harsh or cruel, is derived from his name.

Confucius (551 - 478 B.C.) Chinese philosopher whose teachings stressed harmony, learning, and virtue. Within 300 years of
his death, the Chinese State adopted his teachings as the basis for government. Although officially abandoned by the Chinese
government in 1912, Confucianism continues to have an influence throughout the world.

Octavian (63 B.C. - 14 A.D.) or Augustus. First Emperor of the Roman Empire. He brought widespread reforms to many facets
of Roman life. He supported the concept of using previous opinions of leading jurists to aid in resolving new disputes.
All represented on the SCOTUS as legal precursors. No Satanic representation there.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:23 am to
Let em put it up. Is Oklahoma too good for someone to donate a fancy memorial/seat
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:28 am to
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All represented on the SCOTUS as legal precursors. No Satanic representation there.

Once again, steps by self described Christians to get around the 1st Amendment.

Are you now claiming the SCOTUS is infallible?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:32 am to
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Once again, steps by self described Christians to get around the 1st Amendment
Link?
Posted by Vegas Bengal
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:38 am to
You just linked it.

ETA: if you can't see the difference in those then I don't know what to tell you. There is no historical evidence that Moses led the Israelites from slavery in Egypt through the parted Red Sea and God gave him a set of tablets by way of a burning bush on a mountain. That's pure hocus pocus religious belief. It's not based on fact. It's not based on history. And it has nothing to do with our SCOTUS but there it is. Why is it there if not as a means to get religion in the public square?

This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 10:45 am
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:39 am to
This is why having complete separation of church and state is the best way to run a government, and the only way to have true religious freedom. "America, lets build up that wall"
Posted by sabes que
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:45 am to
And by "that wall," I am referring to Jefferson's "wall of separation between church and state"
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:58 am to
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Why single out Christians. The Commandments are Jewish.


And those are a complete rip-off of older secular laws of the region.

Silly that Christian are delusional enough to believe those watered down 10 commandments were given to them on a mountain by God

Christians/religious nuts need to get over themselves.



This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 11:00 am
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