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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:10 am to Powerman
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:10 am to Powerman
quote:I'm all ears PM
I think it's nutty that you're so intellectually dishonest in this thread
quote:He's atheist, no?
that you're debating a guy named False Prophet
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:13 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
I'm all ears PM
My ears are probably bigger
I just think you're not being honest when you claim that this is all about legal heritage and that it's somehow just as Muslim and Jewish as it is Christian.
I think if we're really honest we can acknowledge that the people defending the presence of the ten commandments and the ones claiming it should be the only monument are a majority Christian group. In fact it's probably the same assholes that get offended when someone at target tells them happy holidays instead of merry Christmas.
quote:
He's atheist, no?
No idea. I just think his name is funny.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:16 am to The Calvin
quote:
It should be easy enough for you to summarize it in a sentence or two
Because the U.S. and the rest of the Western world operate Republican forms of government - meaning government according to law. The Ten Commandments is in a class of documents belonging to the early formation of human law. Thus, it has significant cultural, social, and political relevance to our form of government.
All that being said, I am highly skeptical that those in the OK legislature pushing this measure are doing so for the above reason.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:26 am to Powerman
quote:Oh, make no mistake, I keenly understand the nature of the Ten Commandments thing. If you read my posts here, you might find them less intellectually dishonest than you suspect. My point is religion is NOT a disqualifier. In this case, regardless of who forwards the request, the TCs have no exclusivity to one faith. Nor do they have exclusivity from the law.
I just think you're not being honest when you claim that this is all about legal heritage and that it's somehow just as Muslim and Jewish as it is Christian.
To attack their display on a religious basis is silly. To attempt forced inclusion of elements noncontributory to our laws, and of one specific faith, based on presence of the TCs is a nutty proposition forwarded by nutty people.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:32 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
In this case, regardless of who forwards the request, the TCs have no exclusivity to one faith.
But they certainly represent the dominate faith: Christianity
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:34 am to Powerman
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Personally I don't care if someone wants to put the 10 commandments in front of a state building. But they probably shouldn't freak out when another religion wants to put their shite there
So as an Collective/State expression of the PRINCIPLES of the which a particular Religion espouses...all principles should be given equal support by our Collective?
Pman...did you mama and dad tell you that thievery, murder, marital disloyalty, lying (general principles) just really don't matter? That they are all equal for your perusal and choice?
So, the State espousing/promoting that the Principles of Jesus and the Principles of Satan (as historically defined) are EQUAL? And that the consequences of 'worshiping' those principles will be equal too?
Here it is. "Behold, there is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man, but the end thereof is destruction". (Biblical) Watch and see and learn.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:39 am to Powerman
quote:amongst others
But they certainly represent the dominate faith: Christianity
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:24 am to NC_Tigah
Basically what he's saying is that if it was the first major religion in our country, it's foolish to attack it. Even though it's obvious if any other religion's doctrine were set in stone there people would have a cow.
Around and around we go
Around and around we go
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:25 am to NC_Tigah
But specifically this is supposed to be about judeo christian heritage. This isnt about the commandments monument as laws or a class of law , this is about a monument focusing on religion and oklahomas supposed judeochristian heritage. Which is funny considering ive taken an oklahoma hostory class and the only heritage I can find is when missionaries started to come here to try and convert the tribes. Yes some missionaries were working with the tribe vefore they got here however claiming the christian heritage in oklahoma is like saying uganda has a christian heritage because missionairies were there in the past
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:34 am to oklahogjr
quote:No! It is not supposed to be about judeo christian heritage.
But specifically this is supposed to be about judeo christian heritage
quote:It is EXACTLY about that.
This isnt about the commandments monument as laws or a class of law
quote:No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true.
this is about a monument focusing on religion and oklahomas supposed judeochristian heritage
It is not a rendering of the crucifixion. It is not a rendering of Noah's Ark. It is not a rendering of Abraham. It is a representation of the ancient basis of our law.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:45 am to NC_Tigah
quote:im going on information from both my experiences in oklahoma and my oklahoma history class what judeo christian heritage and evidence does everyone have to support the theory twe have a strong judeo christian heritage?
No matter how many times you say it, it's just not
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:46 am to NC_Tigah
Eta misread the chapel they want to build in the legislature is supposed to represent that. I misread
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 10:49 am
Posted on 12/10/13 at 11:15 am to oklahogjr
quote:
im going on information from both my experiences in oklahoma and my oklahoma history class what judeo christian heritage and evidence does everyone have to support the theory twe have a strong judeo christian heritage?
I realize you have seniority over me here on TD, so people here will likely defend you and your statements over my own, but did they happen to not teach grammar and spelling at your Oklahoma public school?
The person you were responding to likely has evidence based on the fact that OK is roughly 94% Christian, and the fact that over 75% of the American Indian population in that state adheres to mainline Protestantism.
Sure, many syncretize indigenous pagan traditions with their Judeo-Christian beliefs, but the same can be said about the Celtic Christians of Ireland and Scotland and the Hellenic Greco Orthodox Christians of Greece (e.g., Celtic Druid paganism assimilated into Catholicism and Presbyterianism and Greek Paganism/Hellenic traditions assimilated into the Greek Orthodox Christian Church, etc.).
Believe it or not, this is not all that uncommon throughout the world.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 11:20 am to NoNameNeeded
quote:thats the worst way to conclude about a gistorical monument. Shouldn't there be a basis in history not just current religious breakdown of the state.
The person you were responding to likely has evidence based on the fact that OK is roughly 94% Christian, and the fact that over 75% of the American Indian population in that state adheres to mainline Protestantism.
And I'm on a phone at the moment so my spelling will be shite, autocorrect on here is kinda funky anf I've been to lazy to try and figure out why.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 2:02 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
. It is a representation of the ancient basis of our law.
Who do you assume to be speaking for?
Posted on 12/10/13 at 5:19 pm to The Calvin
quote:Why, goodness Calvin, I was speaking specifically for you.
Who do you assume to be speaking for?
Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:31 pm to TheDoc
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these morons opened up the flood gates I hope every nut job group comes in there and puts up their bullshite
This x 1000
And from another post:
quote:
Legal Heritage
Bwahahahaha! SURE!
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:07 am to PuntBamaPunt
I dont have a problem or issue with other religions vying for their space. What I do have a problem with is New Yorkers want to put this up in Oklahoma.
Why not allow the people of Oklahoma to decide what they want in their public places?
Why dont we start protesting the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center?
Why not allow the people of Oklahoma to decide what they want in their public places?
Why dont we start protesting the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center?
Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:39 am to volnavy
It's 1 country so what where they are from. Enough Non New Yorkers here bitched about the stupid soda law passed by the soon to be former mayor.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 5:40 am
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