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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous

Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:10 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:10 am to
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I think it's nutty that you're so intellectually dishonest in this thread
I'm all ears PM
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that you're debating a guy named False Prophet
He's atheist, no?
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:13 am to
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I'm all ears PM

My ears are probably bigger

I just think you're not being honest when you claim that this is all about legal heritage and that it's somehow just as Muslim and Jewish as it is Christian.

I think if we're really honest we can acknowledge that the people defending the presence of the ten commandments and the ones claiming it should be the only monument are a majority Christian group. In fact it's probably the same assholes that get offended when someone at target tells them happy holidays instead of merry Christmas.
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He's atheist, no?




No idea. I just think his name is funny.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:16 am to
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It should be easy enough for you to summarize it in a sentence or two


Because the U.S. and the rest of the Western world operate Republican forms of government - meaning government according to law. The Ten Commandments is in a class of documents belonging to the early formation of human law. Thus, it has significant cultural, social, and political relevance to our form of government.

All that being said, I am highly skeptical that those in the OK legislature pushing this measure are doing so for the above reason.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:26 am to
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I just think you're not being honest when you claim that this is all about legal heritage and that it's somehow just as Muslim and Jewish as it is Christian.
Oh, make no mistake, I keenly understand the nature of the Ten Commandments thing. If you read my posts here, you might find them less intellectually dishonest than you suspect. My point is religion is NOT a disqualifier. In this case, regardless of who forwards the request, the TCs have no exclusivity to one faith. Nor do they have exclusivity from the law.

To attack their display on a religious basis is silly. To attempt forced inclusion of elements noncontributory to our laws, and of one specific faith, based on presence of the TCs is a nutty proposition forwarded by nutty people.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:32 am to
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In this case, regardless of who forwards the request, the TCs have no exclusivity to one faith.

But they certainly represent the dominate faith: Christianity

Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:34 am to
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Personally I don't care if someone wants to put the 10 commandments in front of a state building. But they probably shouldn't freak out when another religion wants to put their shite there


So as an Collective/State expression of the PRINCIPLES of the which a particular Religion espouses...all principles should be given equal support by our Collective?

Pman...did you mama and dad tell you that thievery, murder, marital disloyalty, lying (general principles) just really don't matter? That they are all equal for your perusal and choice?

So, the State espousing/promoting that the Principles of Jesus and the Principles of Satan (as historically defined) are EQUAL? And that the consequences of 'worshiping' those principles will be equal too?

Here it is. "Behold, there is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man, but the end thereof is destruction". (Biblical) Watch and see and learn.



Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 9:39 am to
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But they certainly represent the dominate faith: Christianity

amongst others
Posted by The Calvin
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:24 am to
Basically what he's saying is that if it was the first major religion in our country, it's foolish to attack it. Even though it's obvious if any other religion's doctrine were set in stone there people would have a cow.

Around and around we go
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:25 am to
But specifically this is supposed to be about judeo christian heritage. This isnt about the commandments monument as laws or a class of law , this is about a monument focusing on religion and oklahomas supposed judeochristian heritage. Which is funny considering ive taken an oklahoma hostory class and the only heritage I can find is when missionaries started to come here to try and convert the tribes. Yes some missionaries were working with the tribe vefore they got here however claiming the christian heritage in oklahoma is like saying uganda has a christian heritage because missionairies were there in the past
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:34 am to
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But specifically this is supposed to be about judeo christian heritage
No! It is not supposed to be about judeo christian heritage.
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This isnt about the commandments monument as laws or a class of law
It is EXACTLY about that.
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this is about a monument focusing on religion and oklahomas supposed judeochristian heritage
No matter how many times you say it, it's just not true.

It is not a rendering of the crucifixion. It is not a rendering of Noah's Ark. It is not a rendering of Abraham. It is a representation of the ancient basis of our law.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:45 am to
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No matter how many times you say it, it's just not
im going on information from both my experiences in oklahoma and my oklahoma history class what judeo christian heritage and evidence does everyone have to support the theory twe have a strong judeo christian heritage?
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:46 am to


Eta misread the chapel they want to build in the legislature is supposed to represent that. I misread
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 10:49 am
Posted by NoNameNeeded
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 11:15 am to
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im going on information from both my experiences in oklahoma and my oklahoma history class what judeo christian heritage and evidence does everyone have to support the theory twe have a strong judeo christian heritage?


I realize you have seniority over me here on TD, so people here will likely defend you and your statements over my own, but did they happen to not teach grammar and spelling at your Oklahoma public school?

The person you were responding to likely has evidence based on the fact that OK is roughly 94% Christian, and the fact that over 75% of the American Indian population in that state adheres to mainline Protestantism.

Sure, many syncretize indigenous pagan traditions with their Judeo-Christian beliefs, but the same can be said about the Celtic Christians of Ireland and Scotland and the Hellenic Greco Orthodox Christians of Greece (e.g., Celtic Druid paganism assimilated into Catholicism and Presbyterianism and Greek Paganism/Hellenic traditions assimilated into the Greek Orthodox Christian Church, etc.).

Believe it or not, this is not all that uncommon throughout the world.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 11:20 am to
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The person you were responding to likely has evidence based on the fact that OK is roughly 94% Christian, and the fact that over 75% of the American Indian population in that state adheres to mainline Protestantism.
thats the worst way to conclude about a gistorical monument. Shouldn't there be a basis in history not just current religious breakdown of the state.


And I'm on a phone at the moment so my spelling will be shite, autocorrect on here is kinda funky anf I've been to lazy to try and figure out why.
Posted by The Calvin
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 2:02 pm to
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. It is a representation of the ancient basis of our law.


Who do you assume to be speaking for?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 5:19 pm to
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Who do you assume to be speaking for?
Why, goodness Calvin, I was speaking specifically for you.



Posted by thetigerman
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:31 pm to
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these morons opened up the flood gates I hope every nut job group comes in there and puts up their bullshite


This x 1000

And from another post:

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Legal Heritage


Bwahahahaha! SURE!
Posted by The Calvin
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 10:50 pm to
Posted by volnavy
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:07 am to
I dont have a problem or issue with other religions vying for their space. What I do have a problem with is New Yorkers want to put this up in Oklahoma.

Why not allow the people of Oklahoma to decide what they want in their public places?

Why dont we start protesting the Christmas Tree in Rockefeller Center?
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 5:39 am to
It's 1 country so what where they are from. Enough Non New Yorkers here bitched about the stupid soda law passed by the soon to be former mayor.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 5:40 am
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