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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:40 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:40 pm to oklahogjr
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And that's not even really going into the whole revelations thing.
Logically, an all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent God wouldn't be limited except by his own will.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:45 pm to Revelator
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Well Moses is depicted with the Ten Commandments on the Supreme Court building in Washington, so surely our ancestors agreed that the law of God had significance in our history.
Along with Muhammad, Justinian, Napoleon, among many, many others. Since the Oklahoma monument is solely there because of "historical significance", I assume we would find numerous other monuments nearby, such as Hammurabi's code, a statue of Muhammad, etc., correct? Or are you being deliberately obtuse and disingenuous and the ten commandments actually represent a tacit endorsement of the most common religion in Oklahoma? I'm going to go with the latter.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:48 pm to TideCPA
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Along with Muhammad, Justinian, Napoleon, among many, many others. Since the Oklahoma monument is solely there because of "historical significance", I assume we would find numerous other monuments nearby, such as Hammurabi's code, a statue of Muhammad, etc., correct? Or are you being completely obtuse and disingenuous and the ten commandments actually represent a tacit endorsement of the most common religion in Oklahoma? I'm going to go with the latter.
I wouldn't have any problem if the group wanted a statue of any of those you named because there would be some historical context to the statues. No such case can be made for a statue of Satan.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 9:51 pm to Revelator
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I wouldn't have any problem if the group wanted a statue of any of those you named because there would be some historical context to the statues. No such case can be made for a statue of Satan.
You didn't answer my question. Why were the ten commandments the only monument chosen if the only criterion was "historical significance"? Pure coincidence?
I'm pretty sure they could find something far more historically significant than a tablet with more commandments that are explicitly unconstitutional than relevant to actual law.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:00 pm to TideCPA
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You didn't answer my question. Why were the ten commandments the only monument chosen if the only criterion was "historical significance"? Pure coincidence?
Because those financing the monument wanted the Ten Commandments displayed. If some group wanted to pay for a statue of Hammurabbi then there would be a legitimate argument if denied.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:22 pm to Revelator
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No such case can be made for a statue of Satan.
Since all Christians believe in Satan shouldn't he considered important religiously.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:23 pm to Revelator
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Because those financing the monument wanted the Ten Commandments displayed. If some group wanted to pay for a statue of Hammurabbi then there would be a legitimate argument if denied.
Are you really this obtuse or can you not see that your contention that the TC monument is only there due to "historical significance" is completely absurd? There are countless other people, documents, and items that are FAR more significant to the US and Oklahoma in particular. The TC are there solely because a predominantly Christian legislature approved installation of a predominantly Christian symbol financed by one of their own as a tacit endorsement of Christianity. To state otherwise is just disingenuous. There's a reason Christians aren't clamoring to have huge stone sculptures of the Magna Carta or even the US constitution built. They don't give a shite about legal history.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:26 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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Since all Christians believe in Satan shouldn't he considered important religiously.
The TC wouldn't exist without the influence of Satan so clearly he is historically significant to Oklahoma law.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:29 pm to TideCPA
quote:And how, pray tell, do you know this?
The TC are there solely because a predominantly Christian legislature approved installation of a predominantly Christian symbol financed by one of their own as a tacit endorsement of Christianity.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:30 pm to TideCPA
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Are you really this obtuse
Are you obtuse enough to believe that the satanist want the statue because of religious freedom?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:31 pm to TideCPA
wrong board 
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:34 pm to JazzyJeff
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And how, pray tell, do you know this?
News articles and not being an idiot?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:34 pm to Revelator
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Are you obtuse enough to believe that the satanist want the statue because of religious freedom?
Yes. I very much doubt that they take their religion seriously - Satanists are much like Pastafarians, to my mind. They are simply testing the boundaries of what would be allowed under the 1st Amendment - not out of any true religious conviction, but out of a want to expose potential hypocrisy in the manner that religious expression is 'protected'.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:35 pm to JazzyJeff
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And how, pray tell, do you know this?
because it's oklahoma. In all seriousness they're batshit nuts there.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:36 pm to WikiTiger
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Fair is fair.
Only if you equate Satanists to Christians.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:37 pm to Revelator
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Are you obtuse enough to believe that the satanist want the statue because of religious freedom?
They clearly don't want the statue because of its religious or historic significance. They're being equally as disingenuous as the ones who out up the TC in the first place which is why the whole situation is hilarious.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:37 pm to constant cough
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Only if you equate Satanists to Christians.
Insofar as they are individuals, I do.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:39 pm to HempHead
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Insofar as they are individuals, I do.
And that's why we can't ever tell anyone no anymore in this country no matter how fringe they are.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:42 pm to constant cough
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And that's why we can't ever tell anyone no anymore in this country no matter how fringe they are.
That's the thing about following that damned constitution. Everyone has a voice, no matter how crazy.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 10:43 pm to constant cough
Perhaps if there was no 'public' grounds on which to build upon, this would not be an issue. Those who wish to build a monument to their philosophy or religion would have to acquire property themselves, rather than making a display on land that is 'owned' by the collective.
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