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Russia says granting Ukraine NATO membership will guarantee beginning of World War Three
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:42 am
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Russia says granting Ukraine membership of NATO will guarantee the beginning of World War Three
By Walter Finch
13 October 2022
• Russia has warned that Ukrainian membership of NATO will start World War 3
• Zelensky announced surprise bid for fast-track membership on September 30
• Russian officials called the move 'suicidal' and a 'guaranteed escalation'
• NATO previously said in 2008 that Ukraine would join the alliance 'some day'
• NATO planning nuclear readiness exercises in Europe with bombers in the air
Russia has threatened World War Three if its foe Ukraine is granted membership into NATO, a Russian Security Council official was quoted as saying on Thursday.
"Kyiv is well aware that such a step would mean a guaranteed escalation to World War Three," TASS quoted Alexander Venediktov, the deputy secretary of Russia's Security Council, as saying.
Venediktov, who is deputy to Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, a powerful Putin ally, said he felt Ukraine's application was propaganda as the West understood the consequences of Ukrainian membership of NATO.
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Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:44 am to NC_Tigah
Well, welcome to NATO, Ukraine. You know Joe won't be able to help himself.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:45 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:46 am to NC_Tigah
The key paragraph;
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Venediktov, who is deputy to Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev, a powerful Putin ally, said he felt Ukraine's application was propaganda as the West understood the consequences of Ukrainian membership of NATO.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:47 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:48 am to NC_Tigah
Who is going to help Russia? The only one who could really help is China and they would be WAY better off letting Europe and the USA get bloodied and Russia being dominated.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:50 am to NC_Tigah
Maybe that’s the way out. No formal acceptance into NATO and in exchange, Russia pulls out to pre-invasion borders. You sell it to the Ukrainians as they are already getting essentially Article 5 help right now and we’ll do it again in the future if Russia invades again. Putin can sell no formal admittance and the “neutrality” of Ukraine as a win domestically.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:51 am to Tantal
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Well, welcome to NATO, Ukraine. You know Joe won't be able to help himself.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:52 am to NC_Tigah
Things sure were peaceful just a couple years ago compared to now. Wonder what happened
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:53 am to boosiebadazz
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Maybe that’s the way out. No formal acceptance into NATO and in exchange, Russia pulls out to pre-invasion borders. You sell it to the Ukrainians as they are already getting essentially Article 5 help right now and we’ll do it again in the future if Russia invades again. Putin can sell no formal admittance and the “neutrality” of Ukraine as a win domestically.
That would present a completely viable way out. Russia won't go for it, however. They want a defenseless Ukraine that they control. Russia has not publicized any willingness to withdraw their invading army under any conditions.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:53 am to boosiebadazz
You left out the part where the Potato sends billions to rebuild Ukraine
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:54 am to NC_Tigah
LoL. Big Bomb go brrrrrr.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:54 am to doubleb
quote:Yet...
The key paragraph;
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At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:55 am to boosiebadazz
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Maybe that’s the way out. No formal acceptance into NATO and in exchange, Russia pulls out to pre-invasion borders. You sell it to the Ukrainians as they are already getting essentially Article 5 help right now and we’ll do it again in the future if Russia invades again. Putin can sell no formal admittance and the “neutrality” of Ukraine as a win domestically.
This is obviously what needs to happen. Give Putin an off ramp and tell Zelensky and the Ukes if you want continued assistance make a deal now....or else.
This damn war needs to end already.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 11:58 am to 14&Counting
Ukrainians may balk as they already gave up their nukes in exchange for territorial integrity and that was breached.
They’d essentially be at the whim of the West if Russia invaded again.
Let’s say Trump wins in 2024 and the Russians feel he won’t do what Biden has done in rallying the West. Ukraine is fricked then.
They’d essentially be at the whim of the West if Russia invaded again.
Let’s say Trump wins in 2024 and the Russians feel he won’t do what Biden has done in rallying the West. Ukraine is fricked then.
This post was edited on 10/13/22 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/13/22 at 12:00 pm to boosiebadazz
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Let’s say Trump wins in 2024 and the Russians feel he won’t do what Biden has done in rallying the West. Ukraine is fricked then.
How does this work knowing that Ukraine wasn't invaded while the orange man was in the first time?
Posted on 10/13/22 at 12:02 pm to NC_Tigah
Well let’s do it!
Posted on 10/13/22 at 12:03 pm to LNCHBOX
Past results are not always indicative of future behavior.
I’m not arguing whether Trump should or would or even if the Russians should or would.
But if I’m a Ukrainian, that is definitely playing into my calculus.
I’m not arguing whether Trump should or would or even if the Russians should or would.
But if I’m a Ukrainian, that is definitely playing into my calculus.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 12:04 pm to boosiebadazz
U think Putin would have invaded if our boy Trump was still President? Highly doubtful
Posted on 10/13/22 at 12:05 pm to boosiebadazz
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Past results are not always indicative of future behavior.
I’m not arguing whether Trump should or would or even if the Russians should or would.
It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that Putin would think Trump would be a pushover now but didn't then. What changed?
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