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re: Rush: Robin Williams killed himself because of a ‘political leftist’ attitude
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:09 pm to Zach
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:09 pm to Zach
First of all, my link is to today's transcript from Rush's website. The one you asked for when you called me a liar for having said I read today's transcript. Or is today not August 13 in your world?
Second of all, I haven't read any link from MM, so I'm not defending or criticizing MM. I have no idea what MM has said about any of this.
Lastly, my opinion after reading yesterday's transcript that he was not taken out of context is just that, my opinion. If you can read yesterday's transcript and come to the conclusion that he was not implying RW's "leftist attitude" contributed to his taking his life, good for you. That wasn't the way I interpreted his words. This is pretty standard Rush MO, and there are countless other examples where he doesn't actually say something, but rather implies it, then whines about being taken out of context.
Second of all, I haven't read any link from MM, so I'm not defending or criticizing MM. I have no idea what MM has said about any of this.
Lastly, my opinion after reading yesterday's transcript that he was not taken out of context is just that, my opinion. If you can read yesterday's transcript and come to the conclusion that he was not implying RW's "leftist attitude" contributed to his taking his life, good for you. That wasn't the way I interpreted his words. This is pretty standard Rush MO, and there are countless other examples where he doesn't actually say something, but rather implies it, then whines about being taken out of context.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:11 pm to The Spleen
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This is pretty standard Rush MO, and there are countless other examples where he doesn't actually say something, but rather implies it, then whines about being taken out of context.
and apparently he has a bunch of posters here brainwashed into believing it too.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Notice that the article does nothing more than quote Rush's own words out of context
Out of context, my arse. For one thing, MediaMatters didn't supply its own context... it only posted Rush's own words and audio.
Then, the FULL transcript of what Rush said is even worse for him.
NOT ONCE did Rush say anything like "here's what the media says but I don't know why Williams committed suicide.."
NOT ONCE did Rush try to separate Williams from the "dark" and "pessimistic" attitudes of his liberal friends, including the deceased ones for which he felt guilt.
One would think that if Rush were actually trying to make a point that there's a difference between what the media is saying about his suicide and what we actually know HE WOULD HAVE STATED SO. But he doesn't. And, by the way, it's hilarious that you would expect us to believe he's critiquing coverage of Williams's suicide by FOX NEWS, as though it's some sort of liberal site.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:K. Got it. It isn't wrong when your side does it. It's only wrong when "the other" side does it. Yup. Huge difference.
there's a difference between expressing your opinion and saying the kind of things rush says in the OP
quote:Unfortunately your premise is wrong. Conservatism (aka "the right") isn't about corporatism nor bringing harm to the "working" class.
They have become more and more towards corporatism and farther and farther away from the working class
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:16 pm to The Spleen
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First of all, my link is to today's transcript from Rush's website. The one you asked for when you called me a liar for having said I read today's transcript. Or is today not August 13 in your world?
OK, and you said both links proved his words were not taken out of context. Where is that in today's transcript?
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Second of all, I haven't read any link from MM, so I'm not defending or criticizing MM. I have no idea what MM has said about any of this.
So, you are speaking from a position of total ignorance. OK, we got that.
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Lastly, my opinion after reading yesterday's transcript that he was not taken out of context is just that, my opinion.
OK, then link yesterday's entire transcript and show us which quotes indicate that they were NOT taken out of context and blamed RW's death on his liberalism.
Spleen, you're getting killed here because you have no idea what you're talking about. But I'm happy to make you look more foolish if you wish to continue (Please, God let him continue...this is so much fun).
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:19 pm to Taxing Authority
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K. Got it. It isn't wrong when your side does it's only wrong when "the other" side. Yup. Huge difference.
if the situation were reversed then yeah it would still be wrong and i would be the first one to criticize that liberal commentator. Rush says all kinds of things that i may not agree with but I don't have a problem with him saying either. That was the whole point, that entertainers typically just express their political opinion, as opposed to Rush's disgusting comments about Robin Williams.
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Conservatism (aka "the right") isn't about corporatism nor bringing harm to the "working" class.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:21 pm to SSpaniel
Yes, the Raw Story headline goes further than the Media Matters headline. I agree with BOTH, and checked out what Rush actually said before I used Raw Story's headline as my own.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:24 pm to Zach
Out of context, my arse. Rush deliberately left himself an escape route so that his dittoheads like yourself would have some room to defend him. You're swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
NOT ONCE did Rush say anything like "here's what the media says but I don't know why Williams committed suicide.."
NOT ONCE did Rush try to separate Williams from the "dark" and "pessimistic" attitudes of his liberal friends, including the deceased ones for which he felt guilt.
One would think that if Rush were actually trying to make a point that there's a difference between what the media is saying about his suicide and what we actually know HE WOULD HAVE STATED SO. But he doesn't. And, by the way, it's hilarious that you would expect us to believe he's critiquing coverage of Williams's suicide by FOX NEWS, as though it's some sort of liberal site.
NOT ONCE did Rush say anything like "here's what the media says but I don't know why Williams committed suicide.."
NOT ONCE did Rush try to separate Williams from the "dark" and "pessimistic" attitudes of his liberal friends, including the deceased ones for which he felt guilt.
One would think that if Rush were actually trying to make a point that there's a difference between what the media is saying about his suicide and what we actually know HE WOULD HAVE STATED SO. But he doesn't. And, by the way, it's hilarious that you would expect us to believe he's critiquing coverage of Williams's suicide by FOX NEWS, as though it's some sort of liberal site.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:25 pm to Zach
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OK, and you said both links proved his words were not taken out of context
No I didn't. I only said I read both transcripts. I never used the word "prove", and have only given my opinion.
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So, you are speaking from a position of total ignorance
No, I'm speaking from reading Rush's own words from his own website. You know, going to the actual source that caused the controversy.
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OK, then link yesterday's entire transcript and show us which quotes indicate that they were NOT taken out of context and blamed RW's death on his liberalism.
It's been linked enough in this thread. And I never said he blamed RW's suicide on his liberalism, only that he implied his "leftist attitude" contributed to it. Big difference.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:25 pm to Rex
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Out of context, my arse. For one thing, MediaMatters didn't supply its own context... it only posted Rush's own words and audio.
True. MM didn't supply any context at all. Only their chosen words which = OUT OF CONTEXT.
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Then, the FULL transcript of what Rush said is even worse for him.
Nope. It proves MM was out of context. You are lying again.
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NOT ONCE did Rush say anything like "here's what the media says but I don't know why Williams committed suicide.."
Yes he did. You are lying again.
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NOT ONCE did Rush try to separate Williams from the "dark" and "pessimistic" attitudes of his liberal friends, including the deceased ones for which he felt guilt.
He never connected it...why is he supposed to separate it?
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One would think that if Rush were actually trying to make a point that there's a difference between what the media is saying about his suicide and what we actually know HE WOULD HAVE STATED SO.
He did. But you non listeners have no clue.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:28 pm to Rex
His entire segment is about the media and the way they are telling the story. I don't see how you can read the first few paragraphs and separate that from the context where he quotes the media. Why would he complain about the media and be critical of the way they are portraying the suicide without providing examples and then start talking critical of the life he led through use of the media? It would be schizophrenic. As a radio guy, I doubt he is successful by confusing his listeners.
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The thing I worry about, I really do, they're making such heroism out of this that I hope it doesn't inspire a lot of copycats by people seeking the same kind of fame
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If you notice the coverage is focused on how much he had, but it wasn't enough.
"He had everything, everything that you would think would make you happy. But it didn't."
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:31 pm to Rex
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Yes, the Raw Story headline goes further than the Media Matters headline. I agree with BOTH, and checked out what Rush actually said before I used Raw Story's headline as my own.
So, Raw Story repeats Media Matters but changes the headline ...so to you..that's journalism? And you are ashamed of running MM since everyone here knows they are shite. You are a liar, Rex. A shameless liar.
I again offer a simple challenge. Listen to Rush tomorrow. Give me a critique of his show. I've offered that challenge for years and you won't take it.
If you asked me to watch Chris Matthews this evening and give a critique I would. But you have blinders on. Ironically, you are totally averse to diversity of thought. How sad.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:34 pm to GetCocky11
nm
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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as opposed to Rush's disgusting comments about Robin Williams.
There were none. The reason you don't realize this is because you don't listen to the show. Try it once...tomorrow. And tell me about his disgusting comments.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:36 pm to Zach
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There were none
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I can do emoticons too.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:07 pm to Rex
I strongly disagree with Rush on this one. My opinion is that Robin Williams's death is related to his mental problems.
Let's all take a step back and be thankful if we are free of the kind of mental illness that would cause us to end our own lives.
Let's all take a step back and be thankful if we are free of the kind of mental illness that would cause us to end our own lives.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:11 pm to Champagne
My feeling is that other than possibly a brief message of condolence to the Williams family, Limbaugh should've stayed away from this. Anything else, no matter how innocuous, is in poor taste. This man's death was not a political thing.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:18 pm to Champagne
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I strongly disagree with Rush on this one. My opinion is that Robin Williams's death is related to his mental problems.
Rush agrees with you. You have no idea what Rush's opinion was since you didn't listen and just read Rex's fake links.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:19 pm to Rex
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NOT ONCE did Rush say anything like "here's what the media says but I don't know why Williams committed suicide.."
He actually did say that.
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