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Ron Paul: The Mueller Indictments & The Triumph Of The Deep State

Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted by Volkosoby
Member since May 2017
2699 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:40 pm
"Other factions of the deep state are determined to undermine any of President Trump’s actions they perceive as threatening. Any move toward peace with Russia is surely something they feel to be threatening. There are hundreds of billions of reasons – otherwise known as dollars – why the Beltway military-industrial complex is terrified of peace breaking out with Russia and will do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening.

That is why Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s indictment on Friday of 12 Russian military intelligence officers for allegedly interfering in the 2016 US presidential election should immediately raise some very serious questions.

First the obvious: after more than a year of investigations which have publicly revealed zero collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, why drop this bombshell of an allegation at the end of the news cycle on the last business day before the historic Trump/Putin meeting in Helsinki? The indictment could not have been announced a month ago or in two weeks? Is it not suspicious that now no one is talking about reducing tensions with Russia but is all of a sudden – thanks to Special Counsel Robert Mueller – talking about increasing tensions?

Unfortunately most Americans don't seem to understand that indictments are not evidence. In fact they are often evidence-free, as is this indictment.

Did the Russian government seek to interfere in the 2016 US presidential elections? It’s certainly possible, however we don’t know. None of the Justice Department’s assertions have been tested in a court of law, as is thankfully required by our legal system. It is not enough to make an allegation, as Mueller has done. You have to prove it.

That is why we should be very suspicious of these new indictments. Mueller knows he will never have to defend his assertions in a court of law so he can make any allegation he wants.

It is interesting that one of the Russian companies indicted by Mueller earlier this year surprised the world by actually entering a “not guilty” plea and demanding to see Mueller’s evidence. The Special Counsel proceeded to file several motions to delay the hand-over of his evidence. What does Mueller have to hide?

Meanwhile, why is no one talking about the estimated 100 elections the US government has meddled in since World War II? Maybe we need to get our own house in order?"

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Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59524 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:43 pm to
That dude rocks the house. He was easily the voice of reason in the Senate.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:44 pm to
This is Paul the Father.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59524 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:45 pm to
I saw it was Ron, and edited.
Posted by Bigtime92
Solsbury Hill
Member since Jan 2017
3688 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:45 pm to
You can indict a ham sandwich.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26639 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 1:51 pm to
Too bad Ron, and likely Rand, will never be president.

I love Trump, but either of those two would've been GOAT.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:00 pm to
Republicans hated ron paul and i've hated politics since
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7953 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

Republicans hated ron paul and i've hated politics since



Maybe the establishment, but I don't know many republican voters that hated him. They may not have preferred him but he certainly stands up for principles that many of us espouse to this day.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

after more than a year of investigations which have publicly revealed zero collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, why drop this bombshell of an allegation at the end of the news cycle on the last business day before the historic Trump/Putin meeting in Helsinki?


The timing of DoJ’s arrest today is absolutely no less suspect.

quote:

Meanwhile, why is no one talking about the estimated 100 elections the US government has meddled in since World War II?


Oh it’s ok when WE do it.


Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8283 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:06 pm to
Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118636 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:07 pm to
I didn't even read but up voted because of Ron Paul. I just know it's good.


Will read now.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35946 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11804 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

Republicans hated ron paul and i've hated politics since

Yet here you are morphing into a Leftist by the day.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123776 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

He was easily the voice of reason in the Senate.
He was never in the Senate
Posted by victoire sécurisé
Member since Nov 2012
4817 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:16 pm to
If this is all part of Trump's long game to establish world peace and stop the industrial war complex, why does he sabre-rattle and brag about increasing defense spending at every opportunity.

This idea that the Deep State is chasing after and indicting spies as a grand plot to increase defense spending is laughable.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35946 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:22 pm to
quote:

This idea that the Deep State is chasing after and indicting spies as a grand plot to increase defense spending is laughable.

Why is this laughable when the FBI routinely creates terror plots to arrest citizens so they can justify their budget? War is a racket my friend. Liberals used to believe that. Now they worship the agencies most prone to war and spying, all because of their hatred of one man.
Posted by Big_Slim
Mogadishu
Member since Apr 2016
3977 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:45 pm to
God I love that guy.

Can’t believe republicans picked McCain over him in 2008.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63431 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:48 pm to
Someone needs to educate that dumbass about criminal indictments and evidence
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

This idea that the Deep State is chasing after and indicting spies as a grand plot to increase defense spending is laughable.


The only thing that is laughable is your understanding of the state.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11804 posts
Posted on 7/16/18 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Now they worship the agencies most prone to war and spying

Of all the massive contradictions and flip flops the Democratic Party has engaged in recently this is the most fascinating one to me.

Somehow they loathe local police and fricking worship national police at the same time. I long for the day when the Left was (rightly) skeptical of the government's BS during the Bush years.
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