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Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white students
Posted by anc on 3/26/19 at 9:46 am74
I offer this without opinion:
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In 2002, Alabama had 626 out of state freshmen. In 2017, Alabama had 5,001.
This dramatic shift in out-of-state enrollment saw declines in the share of freshmen who were black or eligible for Pell Grants. How did this change take place?
In 2017, the study found, Alabama admissions representatives made 4,347 off-campus recruiting visits. Only 390 of the visits were in Alabama, where the university visited only 33 percent of public high schools. And those high schools "were concentrated in relatively affluent, predominantly white communities, largely avoiding high schools in Alabama’s 'Black Belt,' which enroll the largest concentration of African American students."
In-state recruiting "was dwarfed by the 3,957 out-of-state recruiting visits, which spanned metropolitan areas across the U.S.," the report says. "The university made 2,310 visits to out-of-state public high schools. These visits focused on schools in affluent communities, with visited schools having a much higher percent of white students than nonvisited schools. Incredibly, the university made 935 visits to out-of-state private high schools, more than double the total number of in-state recruiting visits. The University of Alabama represents an extreme case of a transformation occurring at many public research universities across the nation. Public research universities were founded to provide upward mobility for high-achieving state residents and designated the unique responsibility of preparing the future professional, business and civic leaders of the state."
Its an interesting approach, and has netted Alabama about $500 million a year extra, but possibly at the expense of students from the state of Alabama, where they receive taxpayer money and have a mission to serve.
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In 2002, Alabama had 626 out of state freshmen. In 2017, Alabama had 5,001.
This dramatic shift in out-of-state enrollment saw declines in the share of freshmen who were black or eligible for Pell Grants. How did this change take place?
In 2017, the study found, Alabama admissions representatives made 4,347 off-campus recruiting visits. Only 390 of the visits were in Alabama, where the university visited only 33 percent of public high schools. And those high schools "were concentrated in relatively affluent, predominantly white communities, largely avoiding high schools in Alabama’s 'Black Belt,' which enroll the largest concentration of African American students."
In-state recruiting "was dwarfed by the 3,957 out-of-state recruiting visits, which spanned metropolitan areas across the U.S.," the report says. "The university made 2,310 visits to out-of-state public high schools. These visits focused on schools in affluent communities, with visited schools having a much higher percent of white students than nonvisited schools. Incredibly, the university made 935 visits to out-of-state private high schools, more than double the total number of in-state recruiting visits. The University of Alabama represents an extreme case of a transformation occurring at many public research universities across the nation. Public research universities were founded to provide upward mobility for high-achieving state residents and designated the unique responsibility of preparing the future professional, business and civic leaders of the state."
Its an interesting approach, and has netted Alabama about $500 million a year extra, but possibly at the expense of students from the state of Alabama, where they receive taxpayer money and have a mission to serve.
re: Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white studentsPosted by SlowFlowPro on 3/26/19 at 9:49 am to anc
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How did this change take place?
a fricking midget
re: Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white studentsPosted by idlewatcher on 3/26/19 at 9:51 am to anc
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In 2002, Alabama had 626 out of state freshmen. In 2017, Alabama had 5,001.
Schools are a business. Out of state tuition adds to their coffers. LSU was happy to have a Texas boy attend their school and pay 2x what in-state students were.
re: Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white studentsPosted by Byrdybyrd05 on 3/26/19 at 9:51 am to anc
They have to pay the football players some kind of way
There is a correlation between IQ and wealth. Rich kids have higher IQs than poor kids because they get their genes from a doctor instead of a clerk at Dollar Store.
Colleges want smart kids. So, that means rich white kids. Colleges also get rated by the number of national merit scholars enrolled. Alabama has a limited number of those, so the out-of-state recruiting is intense for those elite students.
Colleges want smart kids. So, that means rich white kids. Colleges also get rated by the number of national merit scholars enrolled. Alabama has a limited number of those, so the out-of-state recruiting is intense for those elite students.
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Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white students
The only solution is to vacate all football wins back to 2002.
ETA: I will allow for them to keep 2010 and 2013 though.
ETA2: Screw it, throw in 2012 for laughs.
This post was edited on 3/26 at 9:55 am
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at the expense of students from the state of Alabama, where they receive taxpayer money and have a mission to serve.
If a moderate percentage of the out of state students they enroll, many of whom I assume come from TX, LA, GA, etc, continue to live and work in Alabama after they graduate, then the state is better off.
If the boom in tuition and enrollment leads to Alabama becoming a more respectable public institution, it will be a draw for businesses to set up in the state for recruiting purposes and, again, the state is better off.
If they turn off the spigot of low income and dare-I-say ill prepared in-state students who would drop out after 1-2 years with increased debt and no marketable skills, pushing those students into the workforce and increasing their income while decreasing their debts, the state is better off.
There is no downside.
re: Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white studentsPosted by anc on 3/26/19 at 9:53 am to idlewatcher
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Schools are a business. Out of state tuition adds to their coffers. LSU was happy to have a Texas boy attend their school and pay 2x what in-state students were.
I agree, but a state institution supported by state tax money should primarily cater to that state's students, right?
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These visits focused on schools in affluent communities
Because kids form affluent communities can afford the out of state tuition. Out of state tuition = more $$$$.
This is not hard.
Alabama is not the only school with this recruiting strategy. LSU is doing the same.
re: Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white studentsPosted by fillmoregandt on 3/26/19 at 9:55 am to anc
What is out of state tuition during those time periods?
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Alabama is not the only school with this recruiting strategy. LSU is doing the same.
LSU isn't doing it at the expense of Louisiana students though.
Alabama's Mission:
The University of Alabama will be known as the university of choice for the best and brightest students in Alabama, and all students who seek exceptional educational opportunities.
This post was edited on 3/26 at 9:56 am
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There is a correlation between IQ and wealth. Rich kids have higher IQs than poor kids because they get their genes from a doctor instead of a clerk at Dollar Store. Colleges want smart kids. So, that means rich white kids. Colleges also get rated by the number of national merit scholars enrolled. Alabama has a limited number of those, so the out-of-state recruiting is intense for those elite students.
Exactly. Redo the story eliminating race and wealth, and you'll see that they are recruiting the high achieving students.
This post was edited on 3/26 at 9:57 am
re: Report critical of University of Alabama for focusing on recruiting wealthy white studentsPosted by 14&Counting on 3/26/19 at 10:03 am to anc
Bama is raising their game. Get the rich kids in from Texas, Cali, and New Jersey who can pay full freight.
Helps subsidize the smart poors
Helps subsidize the smart poors
I mean, I will give major props to Alabama. They have absolutely translated their football success into creating a national brand that is popular all over the country. I’ve met so many kids from Houston that are going to Alabama. It’s Crazy. I was visiting my sister in Arlington, VA and there were Alabama shirts being worn by local kids.
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I agree, but a state institution supported by state tax money should primarily cater to that state's students, right?
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LSU isn't doing it at the expense of Louisiana students though.
Alabama's Mission:
The University of Alabama will be known as the university of choice for the best and brightest students in Alabama, and all students who seek exceptional educational opportunities.
I thought you were offering without comment.
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