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re: Remember that girl in Mass. that was taken from her parents by the state?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:27 am to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:27 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Wow, you're an MD as well as a PhD?
he doesnt have a PhD...he's a goddamn field tech.
BTW Tuba, get back to work, I need that ADCP data downloaded.
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:38 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:And you don't call this government interference?
dr's thinking the parents are harming their child and then going through mandated legal routes to address that issue.
Just to clarify... it's just a doctor's opinion/recommendation....
which also happens to conflict with another doctor's opinion/recommendation.
But that's enough to use the government to take people's children from them.
So much for getting a second opinion.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:55 am to CptBengal
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he doesnt have a PhD...he's a goddamn field tech
Really? Powerman said he has a PhD in astrophysics.
Regarding this case, I wish I knew enough about the subject material to offer keen insight. However, I would think everyone could agree that if qualified doctors disagree about a course of treatment the decision should be made by the parents.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:56 am to TK421
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Powerman said he has a PhD in astrophysics.
I know tuba has claimed that....maybe Powerman knows for sure.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:04 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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It all boils down to this, to me:
IF there are opposing opinions by reasonable, and respected, medical doctors...the PARENTS get to choose the one that treats. Unequivocal, no question about it.
Now, if the consensus medical establishment says "A" and a WITCH DOCTOR says "B"...then, the state has a case.
This is the best post in the thread. Compare it to the following statement:
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Again from the very little I know, it seems the dr's at Boston Children's believe that the parents might be somewhat culpable for their daughters medical issues. And IF that were the case they would be forced legally to do something about that. Thats my best guess as to what is going on here.
This is a perfect example of the arrogance of some medical professionals.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:06 am to onmymedicalgrind
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For what I understand, it kind of is the case, though.
Dr. says "she needs treatment, and the treatment is to stay away from you two"
Parents: No
And here we are today.
Wow.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:12 am to onmymedicalgrind
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I don't think this story is about govt going too far, its more about dr's thinking the parents are harming their child and then going through mandated legal routes to address that issue
...and apparently that is so loose a definition that a Dr. wo believes that a "misdiagnosis" occurred by other respected Dr.'s reaches the level of abuse.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:20 am to CptBengal
quote:That would make so much more sense.
he doesnt have a PhD...he's a goddamn field tech.
Certainly there seems little evidence of any PhD level thought here. But PM and he both claim he's a PhD in Astrophysics. I take them at their word.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:41 am to TK421
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However, I would think everyone could agree that if qualified doctors disagree about a course of treatment the decision should be made by the parents.
Of course. I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with this.
The grey area occurs when, for example, one doctor believes a child fell from her crib, while the other doctor believes she is being abused by her parent. If you were the latter doctor, what would you do? Keep in mind you are a mandatory reporter.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
As a doctor,I've had cases somewhat similar to this. 8 year old who mom took all over with the claim of some rare bleeding disorder. Turns out it was a wierd Manchausens by proxy case and that kid got taken away. I'm not saying that this is definately what is happening here but we are only hearing ONE side. I'll reserve judgement until I can hear both sides.
I'm really curious to hear what the other side has as evidence.
I'm really curious to hear what the other side has as evidence.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:37 pm to nvcowboyfan
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but we are only hearing ONE side. I'll reserve judgement until I can hear both sides.
That one side has plenty of quotes from respected medical professionals.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:42 pm to moneyg
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That one side has plenty of quotes from respected medical professionals.
And the other side is pretty much the most well-respected children's hospital in the country. Theres alot we don't know at this point.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:45 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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And the other side is pretty much the most well-respected children's hospital in the country. Theres alot we don't know at this point.
The argument is abuse.
It's not a question of whether or not the children's hospital has quality medical opinions. Nor, does it matter if the hospital is the "most respected" in the country.
I think your line of thinking is very dangerous. And, personally, I would run from any Dr. who thought that way.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:53 pm to moneyg
How is my line of thinking dangerous? You were the one who pointed out that one side has the opinions of "well respected" medical professions; all I did was point out that the other side also has the opinions of "well respected" medical professions supporting them.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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How is my line of thinking dangerous?
Because your line of thinking has equated a misdiagnosis (which is anything but a given) with abuse...enough to remove a child with a serious medical issue from the custody of the parents.
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You were the one who pointed out that one side has the opinions of "well respected" medical professions
The point is that this is not simply a parent making a claim. These are qualified individuals who are making the statements supporting the parents.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:If these accounts are true, that respect is very poorly placed.
And the other side is pretty much the most well-respected children's hospital in the country. Theres alot we don't know at this point.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:08 pm to moneyg
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Because your line of thinking has equated a misdiagnosis (which is anything but a given) with abuse...enough to remove a child with a serious medical issue from the custody of the parents.
I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. Its not my line of thinking, its my best guess at what is BCHs line of thinking.
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The point is that this is not simply a parent making a claim. These are qualified individuals who are making the statements supporting the parents.
And there are qualified individuals on the other side as well. Again, we don't really have a flippin' clue what is going on with this child's health, which is why I am not making any definitive conclusions with the very limited (and one sided) info we currently have available.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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If these accounts are true, that respect is very poorly placed.
Absolutely. I am very curious to hear from BCH, if thats ever going to happen.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:11 pm to moneyg
Dp
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. Its not my line of thinking, its my best guess at what is BCHs line of thinking.
Let's be specific. What type of actions would the parents have to be engaging in for the hospital to rightfully claim that abuse is occurring.
More specifically, would the parents choosing to dismiss a diagnosis of BCH and instead decide to treat the patient at a respected medical facility whose diagnosis was different constitute a basis for the abuse claim?
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