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Regarding white cops vs black men (Long)
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:09 am
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:09 am
I was reading that police pull over 20 million motorists per year. This does not count interactions in the street, foot patrol, large events,showing up to a call, etc.
So let’s say police across the nation come into contact with 60 million people per year. Why are only the extreme cases makIng the news, portraying an epidemic, when in reality 99.9% of interactions don’t end this way? For every situation like in MN, there’s probably 100’s of thousands of routine interactions. Why does the media only show the extreme cases involving cops, especially when it comes to race? Obvious answer.
How many of those Millions of police interactions end up with a white cop killing a black man? How many white people do white cops kill? How many white people do black cops kill? Shouldn’t we know these things before forming an opinion?
If the media only covers a white cop killing a black man, then of course it looks like this is some widespread issue. There’s an agenda and it’s called Drama, Ratings, and Divide! Race conflict is huge news.
Are there sh!t police? Absolutely. Are there racist police? Absolutely. Am I excusing a bad cop killing a man. Nope
If you can’t see how the news and political agendas affect people’s thinking, then maybe it’s time to challenge your beliefs, how you think, and what you consume. Are you just seeking to remain in your comfort zone, stay in the echo chamber, and never grow? Are you seeking the truth? Are you being fed?
There is a truth and factual reality, one that is being fed to us, and your own reality. Are you awake to the other two? Is it possible you’ve been blinded to the nature of media, politicians, super elite, and people in high places with other agendas?
Any wrong-doing should result in punishment. However, we should not just show the wrongdoing of some, ignore the higher percentage of good, and make things look as if it’s a slaughter when in actuality, statistically, these things will happen but in the end there is more good than bad.
This is by no means a defense of any cop killing any race. It’s to point out what’s being fed to us vs reality.
So let’s say police across the nation come into contact with 60 million people per year. Why are only the extreme cases makIng the news, portraying an epidemic, when in reality 99.9% of interactions don’t end this way? For every situation like in MN, there’s probably 100’s of thousands of routine interactions. Why does the media only show the extreme cases involving cops, especially when it comes to race? Obvious answer.
How many of those Millions of police interactions end up with a white cop killing a black man? How many white people do white cops kill? How many white people do black cops kill? Shouldn’t we know these things before forming an opinion?
If the media only covers a white cop killing a black man, then of course it looks like this is some widespread issue. There’s an agenda and it’s called Drama, Ratings, and Divide! Race conflict is huge news.
Are there sh!t police? Absolutely. Are there racist police? Absolutely. Am I excusing a bad cop killing a man. Nope
If you can’t see how the news and political agendas affect people’s thinking, then maybe it’s time to challenge your beliefs, how you think, and what you consume. Are you just seeking to remain in your comfort zone, stay in the echo chamber, and never grow? Are you seeking the truth? Are you being fed?
There is a truth and factual reality, one that is being fed to us, and your own reality. Are you awake to the other two? Is it possible you’ve been blinded to the nature of media, politicians, super elite, and people in high places with other agendas?
Any wrong-doing should result in punishment. However, we should not just show the wrongdoing of some, ignore the higher percentage of good, and make things look as if it’s a slaughter when in actuality, statistically, these things will happen but in the end there is more good than bad.
This is by no means a defense of any cop killing any race. It’s to point out what’s being fed to us vs reality.
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:12 am to pcolatiger28
It doesn't really matter... I am certain you have heard about a bad apple spoiling the whole barrel... Well, in this day and time, police officers are going to be held accountable when they do stupid things... They should be well aware of it and if they are aware of it then maybe you would not see interactions like you did in MN...
Personally, I think something else is at play here as well and that is the quality of people that want to be police officers today... That has degraded over time as well...
Personally, I think something else is at play here as well and that is the quality of people that want to be police officers today... That has degraded over time as well...
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:16 am to pcolatiger28
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It’s to point out what’s being fed to us vs reality.
Now that the Russian Collusion, the Impeachment and the CV-19 is winding down, and 2020 is right around the corner, AA men need to be very wary of white LEO.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:19 am to pcolatiger28
Black people are much less safe around other black people.....cold.....hard.....FACT.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:28 am to oogabooga68
Exactly! Literally over the weekend 35 shot and 9 dead in Chicago, but of course it’s the one crackhead dying from a cop they all tear shite up and voice they’re regurgitated racist rants over!
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:29 am to The Maj
I also believe they should be held accountable and the quality is not where it should be. My point is when all that is shown to us is the bad apple in a barrel of a hundred, it tends to make all apples look bad. Why do we never see the good apples?
If you’re a cop and do wrong, you deserve punishment and justice needs to be served. We should see more videos of cops doing good things. We should be intune with statistics, both sides of the story, facts, and truth, not emotion or agendas.
If you’re a cop and do wrong, you deserve punishment and justice needs to be served. We should see more videos of cops doing good things. We should be intune with statistics, both sides of the story, facts, and truth, not emotion or agendas.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:33 am to pcolatiger28
And yet, white people aren't concerned enough to supply the statistics I thought you were before finishing your report.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:33 am to pcolatiger28
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Regarding white cops vs black men (Long)
Isn't the real issue.
And, until blacks finally recognize this, it will never get solved.
The real issue is misapplication of police force regardless of race. As long as it is sold as...……...and therefore perceived by the public...…...to be something that only really affects about 14% of the population, it will NEVER get solved.
Human nature is that people get fully engaged when they have a dog in the hunt. We can wax poetic about how maybe that shouldn't be the case.
But, if the goal is solutions, one must deal with reality.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:35 am to The Maj
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Well, in this day and time, police officers are going to be held accountable when they do stupid things... They should be well aware of it and if they are aware of it then maybe you would not see interactions like you did in MN...
Ok, but ONLY showing the occasional bad apple while ignoring the other 99% of police interactions doesn't give you a genuine picture. Sure, some cops are definitely over aggressive and rude, same as any other profession.
And since EVERYONE knows that, why be combative and escalate the situation? If people want bad cops off the street, get his name, file a grievance and do it the correct way, because getting killed during a simple traffic stop, doesn't help anyone.
Sorry for the rant...
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:35 am to pcolatiger28
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Why are only the extreme cases makIng the news, portraying an epidemic, when in reality 99.9% of interactions don’t end this way?
There’s some validity to this point of view. Especially when the discussion is about a police officer who gets a little too mouthy or a little too physical but it ends up being a “no harm, no foul” kind of situation.
You can’t apply that to a situation like the one in Minnesota. It’s like saying, banks have millions of transactions every year and they’re inordinately focused on the ones where people rob them.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:37 am to stFrancisville
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If people want bad cops off the street, get his name, file a grievance and do it the correct way, because getting killed during a simple traffic stop, doesn't help anyone.
Grievances don’t get rid of bad police officers. The guy who ran and hid during the Parkland shooting is back on the job with back pay.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:37 am to pcolatiger28
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It’s to point out what’s being fed to us vs reality.
good post ...
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:37 am to pcolatiger28
I don't think the so-called "cop haters" on this board (we're not, but that's an easy phrase by the people that like the government boot on their neck) give two shits about race as it involves police behavior.
The concern about police behavior is such:
1) Police are SOLELY granted "state powers" to enforce laws with violence and deadly force when necessary.
2) They are the only such people with that power in our country.
3) Because of 1 and 2, law enforcement officers of any kind should be held to a HIGHER standard than the average citizen and should be punished MORE harshly when it is clear they are either grossly incompetent to the point of being responsible for someone's death, or so reckless that they kill someone.
If you and I were in a fight and I subdued you, then choked or kept my knee on your neck until you died, there is a 100% chance I would be charged with murder and I would go to jail for a very long time. The police do not get a different set of standards for their behavior simply because they have a badge on... indeed, their behavior should be MORE highly scrutinized because they are agents of the state with the power to KILL YOU IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY.
It's that simple... not an overly complicated concept.
The concern about police behavior is such:
1) Police are SOLELY granted "state powers" to enforce laws with violence and deadly force when necessary.
2) They are the only such people with that power in our country.
3) Because of 1 and 2, law enforcement officers of any kind should be held to a HIGHER standard than the average citizen and should be punished MORE harshly when it is clear they are either grossly incompetent to the point of being responsible for someone's death, or so reckless that they kill someone.
If you and I were in a fight and I subdued you, then choked or kept my knee on your neck until you died, there is a 100% chance I would be charged with murder and I would go to jail for a very long time. The police do not get a different set of standards for their behavior simply because they have a badge on... indeed, their behavior should be MORE highly scrutinized because they are agents of the state with the power to KILL YOU IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY.
It's that simple... not an overly complicated concept.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:39 am to pcolatiger28
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portraying an epidemic, when in reality 99.9% of interactions don’t end this way?
If a person is unjustifiably killed by police, it makes no difference how many previous interactions were lawful, does it?
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:39 am to stFrancisville
quote:
but ONLY showing the occasional bad apple while ignoring the other 99% of police interactions doesn't give you a genuine picture.
Do people generally film the other 99% of the police interactions?
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why be combative and escalate the situation
Panic, fear of the unknown, diminished mental capacity... Several reasons for it, none really and truly justified but they do not necessarily warrant someone's death either...
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:53 am to oogabooga68
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Black people are much less safe around other black people.....cold.....hard.....FACT.
JJ agrees.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:54 am to ShortyRob
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And, until blacks finally recognize this, it will never get solved.
You assume everybody wants the problem to be solved.
Walking around money isn't generally distributed around Communities where everything is Honky-dory....(couldn't resist).
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:51 am to Revelator
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If a person is unjustifiably killed by police, it makes no difference how many previous interactions were lawful, does it?
It does when the agenda is to make something bigger than it is. If you're saying perfection needs to be reached before we stop making the 0.1 look like the majority then it will never happen.
One wrong doing is not good, but when you make the wrong-doing look like an epidemic thus causing further divide and increasing race tensions, then there's two wrongs.
I said previously, not wrong doing is good, there should be punishment and justice.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:54 am to steadytiger
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And yet, white people aren't concerned enough to supply the statistics I thought you were before finishing your report.
Washington Post - Fatal Police Shootings Tracker
Washington Post been tracking fatal police shootings since 2015.
Total fatal police shooting racial breakdown since 2015:
White - 2,385
Black - 1,252
Hispanic - 877
Other - 214
Unknown - 610
Broken down further into those who were unarmed when fatally shot by police:
White - 134
Black - 107
Hispanic - 56
Other - 13
Unknown - 8
2020 fatal police shooting racial breakdown:
White - 143
Black - 73
Hispanic - 43
Other - 11
Unknown - 130
Broken down further into those who were unarmed when fatally shot by police in 2020:
White - 7
Black - 3
Hispanic - 2
Other - 0
Unknown - 4
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:54 am to pcolatiger28
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One wrong doing is not good, but when you make the wrong-doing look like an epidemic thus causing further divide and increasing race tensions, then there's two wrongs.
If police were held accountable when they committed obvious wrongdoing, that would help your argument a lot. They usually aren’t.
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