re: Re: Roy More. Yes it’s a shame some ‘accusers’ don’t grow balls sooner

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already said a "wait and see approach is fine". Keep up.

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A "wait and see approach" is fine but it's disingenuous to pretend that the left hasn't been recruiting accusers for some time now. That doesn't make these accusations false but that context is certainly relevant.

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Awful what happened to your wife. I can't imagine. However, in this country you are still innocent until proven guilty. Should the claims be scrutinized? Absolutely. If he is guilty he should pay. I do not think it is prudent to assume guilt, however.

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Innocent until proven guilty BY LAW. Reminder that OJ was acquitted in a court of law and was only found liable in civil court. Yet we all know he’s guilty. Blame whoever you want for the verdict, but the results stand.

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But you voted for Hillary who tried to destroy Gennifer Flowers "beyond all recognition"?

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Donald Trump and his supporters are the biggest embarrassment to America of all time. Any vote is better than that.

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If a disgusting piece of shite who is running for office is accused of harassing or abusing someone years ago, and if his denials are so lame that anyone would have to be a fricking idiot to believe them, then hell yes, it's appropriate to hold them accountable at the ballot box. 

It's a fricking election, not a criminal trial.

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I don't know you, but I hope someone accuses you of something severe that you didn't do.

Then you'll know how important "innocent until proven guilty" is.

It's a dangerous precedent to ruin people based on unsubstantiated claims

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Thanks for sharing. This thread has read like a 12- step support meeting.

I need to get this off my chest before I lose my nerve.

My ex, had a distant cousin in his late teens try to molest her when she was fourteen. Same situation. In a bathroom at a swimming party.

She punched him in the fricking throat. Her dad was NOPD, though. He taught her to fight. And she was and still is a fighter.

Great mom to my son, as well.

But to this day- she’s no victim.

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Look, you’re stuttering again, Barry.

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Once the article has been published, the damage is done. One’s reputation is forever tarnished. However, if/when it is found to be completely falsified, the rotten count that conjured the tale goes on living her life.

It’s a fricked up system.

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Once an accuser is proven to have lied they should recieve the same sentance day for day the accused would have.

This goes for every crime not just those sexual in nature.

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Briefly before I lose my nerve: My wife when she was 11 was at her neighbors swim pool with a bunch of other kids. Went inside to use the bathroom, got touched by the man of the house, trusted neighbor of decades. She told her mother, my mother-in-law, who DID NOT believe her. Actually got mad at her for saying it. This is like a cloud over our heads because it’s something she and her mother have never resolved, even though that guy went on to get divorced and move away.

Sometimes this stuff gets swept under a rug for so many reasons besides a few obvious ones. I’m partial to believing this lady’s story because I know how these things can go and it stinks that it fricks with relationships and people who are family can’t enjoy each other’s company because of long-standing issues like this.

Maybe there is a chance some of these accusers are full of it, yeah he is running for a big job, but I just know how these things go as far as not being talked about for years

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Good post. I see no political rancor in your story. Bad things happen to many people, especially when they are young. I am glad your wife seems to have led a normal life in spite of her experience as a young girl. Her mother was a jerk - and if it is still an issue, the primary villain in this tale, based on what you have said, is the mother. Your wife would have had a momentary bad experience, and if her mother had been anything close to normal, the perpetrator could have been dealt with at the time. I have no sympathy for him.

Now - in this political maelstrom concerning Moore, that same thinking applies. The thing should have been taken care of when it occurred. Even if the culture of the times would have exonerated Moore, the charge would have been on record, and it would have been an issue in his decision to run for office, certainly would have been a factor in all of his races, and the electorate would have been able to decide whether they wanted him in any position of authority all along his career path. This bullshite now would have never occurred.

I will say this - IF the man who mistreated your wife as a young girl had gone on to become a politician, running for office in numerous local, state offices, and otherwise leading an exemplary moral life, and if he were now running for the Senate in a critical national time of divisive politics over fundamental issues, I would say your wife should continue keeping her mouth shut about something she had been silent about for 30 years.

To bring it up NOW, when there is no time for the electorate to reject the man in favor of someone else of their political liking is using her sad experience as a nuclear bomb against the entire electorate of Alabama - not just seeking justice for an individual perpetrator. That would be the very essence of vile political scheming = not a blow against female victimization. I would actually be revulsed by your wife's decision to punish the electorate by engaging in a political scheme of the most vile degree.

btw - using your wife in my hypothetical makes no aspersions toward her - I just wanted you to think of it in personal terms.

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Glad I wasn't in your jurisdiction when I practiced. Shitty judges are the worst.

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Not a Judge. And we are talking politics, former counselor, not courts.

And I think that was kinda my point also. Let me also say something specific about my wife’s incident:

I asked my wife what did he do. She said he told her she was pretty, hugged her, then positioned his hand in the front of her swim bottoms. She said she began to sob, and he told her to leave. She left his house, went home, and it was either later that day or the next day she told her Mom. Step-dad, who is a great guy to me, was never told, I don’t think. Her bio dad was told, by her, and to this day has quipped “that’s another a-hole I’ll be looking to take out when shite in my life hits the fan” lol. (He won’t do anything) I understand some posters have family that experienced more serious cases of molestation. My heart goes out to them, but is also thankful for you being the person to help heal them. My wife has, at least told me that after she got married at 18, divorced, at 20, then marrying me several years later, has helped her recover emotionally

About my mother-in-law: she is a wonderful grandparent. Does well with small kids in general. No kind of disciplinarian though. As they grow older, at least what I’ve seen from my wife and her brothers, given too much freedom and too much access to money. Not a bad person. Just choosing to be naive and turn a blind eye to some things and this is why we have to resolve this with her. She has grandchildren I know she cares deeply about. We trust them in her care. But she can’t be too trusting of others. We aren’t going down that road again or anything close to it