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re: Rational Questions that the Shutdown "WEAR A MASK" Crowd Can't Answer
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:22 am to BugAC
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:22 am to BugAC
I have got my PhD in Biochemistry and have worked with viruses in the pharma industry for the last 15 years. I wish the issue of wearing masks hadn't taken the political direction it has taken, because they work. Companies spend 10s of millions of dollars on masks to protect 100s of billions of dollars of product every year. The only thing that provides more protection than masks from human contamination is gloves.
Neither of them provide absolute protection, but when used together they provide a greater protection to individuals. The masks in general lessen the distance that aerosolized droplets can travel.
This NIH study shows that masks can, in general, decrease this distance by 2/3 from a cough, but more importantly diverts them out wider lowering total density which when it comes to viral load is important.
Nih Study
The 6ft and 15 minutes that are recommended with Social Distancing are the general thought of what distance/time range someone needs to be for a conversation to occur and pass along a viable contaminate load to another person. The masks provide a layer of protection from coughs and sneezes.
The masks does nothing to prevent the inhalation of a germ, but it does prevent the wide spread of the germ from you. So yes, it's main function is to protect others, from you, by lessening the distance and density of your viral shedding.
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2) If masks work, then why are we social distancing? If social distancing works, then why do we have to wear masks?
Neither of them provide absolute protection, but when used together they provide a greater protection to individuals. The masks in general lessen the distance that aerosolized droplets can travel.
This NIH study shows that masks can, in general, decrease this distance by 2/3 from a cough, but more importantly diverts them out wider lowering total density which when it comes to viral load is important.
Nih Study
The 6ft and 15 minutes that are recommended with Social Distancing are the general thought of what distance/time range someone needs to be for a conversation to occur and pass along a viable contaminate load to another person. The masks provide a layer of protection from coughs and sneezes.
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9) The maskers crowd likes to claim, "the mask isn't for you. It doesn't protect you, it protects others". So stay with me, if a mask doesn't protect me, then how does it protect others? Let's remove the whole me and others part. The statement then is "the mask doesn't protect people, but it does protect people"... That's asinine. So i'm to wear a mask, that doesn't work, to protect people from a virus, that doesn't care about what cloth is on your face? And the argument, is that it's for the asymptomatic to not spread to others.
The masks does nothing to prevent the inhalation of a germ, but it does prevent the wide spread of the germ from you. So yes, it's main function is to protect others, from you, by lessening the distance and density of your viral shedding.
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Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:24 am to BugAC
quote:Like it was this time last year.
What is normal?
It's my opinion that masks help considerably and can get us past this and to a real opening of the economy quicker than no masks. The distancing is actually impossible in any place with more than a few people.
After the election it may or may not go away depending upon the advantages it gives the Left in their seeking of power.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:27 am to BugAC
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Things that will incredibly disappear and not be important on November 4th, 2020.
COVID 19
Racial Injustice
BlackLivesMatter
Things that will resurface:
Muh Russia
Muh Collusion
Are you suggesting Biden will win?
Because that’s the only way this stuff magically goes away. Trump wins, we have to deal with these idiot progs and their hysteria for another 4 years. And it will likely get worse.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:36 am to Y.A. Tittle
Here are some other cutting edge medical procedures from the peak of science and learning, which occurred in 1918:
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:42 am to BugAC
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8) For the maskers, what is your limit before you tell the "officials" NO?
I don't consider myself a "masker" as you say, but I do wear masks and take precautions out of respect for my wife who is looney with all of this shite and out of respect for my mother who is severely immunocompromised.
However, I'm not exactly sure what I can do in terms of "telling the officials 'no'" when I do reach my breaking point. Jefferson County, AL just made it legal for businesses to turn you away for not wearing a mask. Restaurants are telling customers they must literally wear a mask the entire time they are in a restaurant unless they are putting a fork into their mouth. Birmingham City has told its residents they can be fined or even arrested for being in public without a mask. Most of the state's school systems will require teachers and students to wear masks. You can't go to Costco or Target without a mask on.
I might be able to say "frick you" to the officials, but all I'll be able to actually do is retreat into a small zone including my house, pick up orders for food, and nature trails.
I think it's all bullshite though. There's no way these masks are solving Covid-19. I think they're way more detrimental socially, psychologically, and developmentally. What a fricked up timeline.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:45 am to BugAC
people who are pro-mask now, should never EVER be in public without one again. there's no end available. respiratory viruses are always around to be spread.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:46 am to BugAC
When's the price of beef getting back to normal?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:56 am to BugAC
quote:Most of this is fair. However, what keeps getting obscured is the fact that the vast majority of actual shutting down happened prior to official government orders.
1) Why has "flatten the curve" been completely ignored?
2) If masks work, then why are we social distancing? If social distancing works, then why do we have to wear masks?
3) Fauci stated early on that masks didn't do anything. Then he stated later that he lied because they didn't want the public to buy up all the masks for the healthcare workers. Now he states masks does do something. So which Fauci are we to believe?
4) 3 gives way to point 1. We are no longer in danger of running out of supplies. Which means the curve has been flattened for a long time. So why are we still shutting down?
5) When does this end? Idiots are running around saying, "just wear the damn mask so we can open up". For how long? Am i supposed to accept that wearing the mask is what is needed for the rest of our lives?
6) When flu season starts, will the same maskers demand masks be worn at this time as well?
7) Why hasn't anyone apologized for being so catastrophically wrong during the entire COVID season?
8) For the maskers, what is your limit before you tell the "officials" NO?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:04 am to StringedInstruments
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I don't consider myself a "masker" as you say, but I do wear masks and take precautions out of respect for my wife who is looney with all of this shite and out of respect for my mother who is severely immunocompromised.
To clarify, maskers are the Karens of the world demanding everyone wear a mask. If you wear one, fine. If you don't, fine.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:05 am to Big Scrub TX
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the vast majority of actual shutting down happened prior to official government orders.
I don't believe restaurants closed themselves down without a governmental order, be it city, state, or federal.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:06 am to SEC. 593
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This NIH study shows that masks can, in general, decrease this distance by 2/3 from a cough, but more importantly diverts them out wider lowering total density which when it comes to viral load is important.
So, cover your mouth when you cough. Wow. This is cutting edge shite.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:16 am to NC_Tigah
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If everyone wears one, it will absolutely cut down CV19 transmission. We know that.
If everyone wears a mask 24/7, then nobody will get the virus and it will eventually give up and return to China.
LOL. Unless a vaccine comes along, we are just delaying the inevitable. Herd immunity is the only realistic way to move forward. That's SCIENCE! We were told from the beginning that this was all about flattening the curve and allowing the system time to prepare. Why has that changed? No need to answer. We know why.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:17 am to HeadSlash
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When's the price of beef getting back to normal?
When the healthcare costs go back down.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:07 pm to BugAC
quote:Until vaccination or substantially mitigating treatment is available.
For how long?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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Until vaccination or substantially mitigating treatment is available
So never? Cool.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It’s weird that this seems to be the only photograph that exists of what was supposedly a widespread phenomenon during the Spanish Flu epidemic.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:17 pm to friendlysnek
Maskers
WTF?
WTF?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:26 pm to MeatPants
I made the observation at the hospital, that I either died and was reincarnated as a Muslim woman wearing a mask or I went back in time and I am now stuck in Tokyo for six more years.
The first time you get on a train or bus, walk downtown in the first city outside the base ...the foreign difference hits you between the eyes ...the masks that are worn. Soon you learn that those people are sick or they are susceptible to catching whatever the mass of humanity is spewing at the time. Masks were common.
Masks work and the Asians know it works.
The first time you get on a train or bus, walk downtown in the first city outside the base ...the foreign difference hits you between the eyes ...the masks that are worn. Soon you learn that those people are sick or they are susceptible to catching whatever the mass of humanity is spewing at the time. Masks were common.
Masks work and the Asians know it works.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:47 pm to NC_Tigah
Thanks. I was just honestly wondering why I've seen that Ga Tech football game pic about ten times but none of those others.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:51 pm to BugAC
quote:The Open Table data is very informative here.
I don't believe restaurants closed themselves down without a governmental order, be it city, state, or federal.
This link is from March 14th - before the vast majority (if not all) of the govt-imposed shutdowns (including Trump's recommended 2 week distancing guideline.)
It shows that restaurants had already started going into a deep freeze prior to shutdowns:
LINK
OpenTable raw data
Moreoever, huge employers like Amazon, MSFT and Facebook essentially sent employees home starting the very first week of March. That had nothing to do with govt orders.
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