re: Rand Paul demands Dems return money raised by "sexual predator" Bill Clinton

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Actually her play will be to ignore it entirely.

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True. That's how she did it in the 90s when the media was hammering them.

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She was a young, dumb, giggly girl who was pressured into sexual acts by the President of the United States. Even if she did hit on him first, that same father of the LSU girl and everyone else with a reasonable mind would expect any mid-aged male to consider reasoning with the girl that what she was asking for wasn't in her best interest. Worse yet, there was no love involved here that muddied up his thinking: he saw an opportunity to get a piece of arse from a girl who might as well have been pomping on the front lawn of an LSU sorority house and he went for it.

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you concede that she's the one who hit on him, which is what she stated in her sworn testimony, how can you accuse Clinton of "pressuring her into sexual acts"? This makes no sense though I agree that he should have been disciplined enough to stiff-arm her, considering his position. However, I'll bet that most of the 44 men who have lived in the White House wouldn't have turned her down, especially prior to Nixon when the media turned a blind eye to that kind of stuff.

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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you concede that she's the one who hit on him, which is what she stated in her sworn testimony, how can you accuse Clinton of "pressuring her into sexual acts"? This makes no sense though I agree that he should have been disciplined enough to stiff-arm her, considering his position. However, I'll bet that most of the 44 men who have lived in the White House wouldn't have turned her down, especially prior to Nixon when the media turned a blind eye to that kind of stuff.

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Yes, Bill was an innocent victim to ML and felt forced to throw his semen down her throat and shove a cigar up her coot.

And to asurob, Honey Boo Boo could have been president during the dot com bubble and looked like a fricking genius. Clinton's first term was garbage until Newt told him to sit down and shut the frick up, go shove a cigar up that intern coot...

Which makes it Newt's fault.

I don't know why you insist on creating straw men, when I've already conceded that Clinton showed poor judgment and was wrong to do what he did. However, I don't understand why you refuse to accept Lewinsky's own version of events. The very first time she met the President she pulled up her dress to show him her thong underwear in order to get his attention. What could Clinton have possibly done to pressure her into doing this when he had never met her before? Here's an excerpt from the Barbara Walters interview:


BW: You showed the president your thong underwear. Where did you get the nerve? I mean -- who does that?

ML: ...If you take my word for it, it was a small, subtle, flirtatious gesture. And that's me.

BW: Was it saying "I'm available?"

ML: I think it was saying, "I'm interested, too. I'll play."

BW: Did you ever say to yourself, "I'm doing something wrong. This is bad for the president. This is bad for the country." Did you ever think about that?

ML: Now with everything that's happened, ... I feel bad that I didn't. But, I didn't at that time. I was enamored with him. And I was excited. And I was enjoying it.


By the way, do you have any idea how many of our Presidents are alleged to have been adulterers going all the way back to Thomas Jefferson all the way up to Ike, JFK and LBJ? Is this really a surprise considering how women were treated in society 200 years ago?

You're really contorting yourself for reasons beyond my comprehension, unless you're just that adamant about defending a member of the home team at all costs. And I don't buy the "Everyone else does it, too." defense. The fact is, it's not 200 years ago, and you'd be hard pressed to find majority support for 50-year old married men having sex with college-aged girls on the job and in the office.

If this were the corporate world, Bill Clinton wouldn't be allowed back in the building. Are you that deprived of the modern state of workforce sexual harrassment policy?

I also find it highly doubtful a girl would have the nerve to make sexual advances on the POTUS unless she had some reason to think he might be interested in them. Take a second look at her response to BW.

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BW: You showed the president your thong underwear. Where did you get the nerve? I mean -- who does that?

ML: ...If you take my word for it, it was a small, subtle, flirtatious gesture. And that's me.

BW: Was it saying "I'm available?"

ML: I think it was saying, "I'm interested, too. I'll play."

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That "too" is a crucial word.

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You're really contorting yourself for reasons beyond my comprehension,

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Actually it is you who are contorting yourself with strawmen and non sequiturs, probably due to you blind hatred of all things Clinton. All I did was present the facts but you can't handle them.

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And I don't buy the "Everyone else does it, too." defense.

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It's not a defense, it's a fact that puts his behavior in context. My point is that he wasn't a Presidential outlier that in his personal conduct. Also, I never used the phrase "everyone else", those are your words.

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you'd be hard pressed to find majority support for 50-year old married men having sex with college-aged girls on the job and in the office.

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Straw man.

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I also find it highly doubtful a girl would have the nerve to make sexual advances on the POTUS unless she had some reason to think he might be interested in them. Take a second look at her response to BW.

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Facts don't change according to you ability to stomach them. Go and read the whole court transcript for yourself if you don't believe me.

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That "too" is a crucial word.

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Now, you're just playing semantics games, which is exactly what folks like you rightfully accused Clinton of when he talked about the meaning of the word "is".

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Actually it is you who are contorting yourself with strawmen and non sequiturs, probably due to you blind hatred of all things Clinton. All I did was present the facts but you can't handle them.

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The term "straw man" is horribly overused, and typically used incorrectly, such as in your case. Your argument is that Bill Clinton was seduced, and that other Presidents would have been likely to do exactly as he did. My argument fails to even consider those claims, as the conduct in and of itself was morally indefensible. Further, even if he was seduced, I highly doubt it was a one-way street.

I also draw an analogy, which is what you're likely confusing for a straw man, in saying this would be no different than a law partner having sex with a college-aged file clerk in the office and during working hours. In the corporate world, that would subject the partner to immediate sexual harrassment scrutiny, and I don't see why the President should be held to any lesser standard.

Finally, throughout the scandal, all we heard about was Monica Lewinsky "the woman." If you polled the average American, I'd venture to bet they wouldn't know she was just a tender 22 years old. I've also placed emphasis on this point as I think it's gone unnoticed by many. Again, using an analogy (not a straw man), it wouldn't be entirely different than Les Miles having sex with an LSU cheerleader in the locker room after a football game. Such analogy paints an accurate picture of just what kind of age/maturity difference we're dealing with here.

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It's not a defense, it's a fact that puts his behavior in context. My point is that he wasn't a Presidential outlier that in his personal conduct. Also, I never used the phrase "everyone else", those are your words.

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In statistics, we look for stanionarity within a given data set to ensure that factors which have significant explanatory power at the onset of the data collection period don't change throughout the data collection period. If you're comparing interest rates to bond yields, for example, you'd want to know if there were any significant Fed policy changes within the time series at issue.

Comparing Bill Clinton's actions to anyone other than modern-day presidents reeks of non-stationarity. Times have changed, my friend. What was normal back in Teddy Roosevelt's days isn't nearly as normal today. Would you project the percentage of women married with children by the age of 16 in 1900 to 2014 and expect to achieve an accurate result?

Further, whether other Presidents "would have" done this or "would have" done that is simply a pathetic line of reasoning. The fact is, Bill Clinton DID have sex with a college-aged girl while on the job. That's all that matters here.

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Now, you're just playing semantics games, which is exactly what folks like you rightfully accused Clinton of when he talked about the meaning of the word "is".

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Semantics? Do you not understand what the word "too" means?

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Rand is apparently smarter than we think. After watching Rand's attacks on Bill Clinton play out the last few weeks I believe the main motivation behind the attacks is to neutralize Bill Clinton as a campaigner for red state democrat candidates.

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Some of the folks on MSNBC called this three weeks ago. It was never about Hillary, it was about making Bill radioactive.

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it was about making Bill radioactive.

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That was his aid to McConnell in the current KY race. It's a political chip McConnell very much appreciates.

However, the broader game was/is to defuel any Clinton-backed, Clinton-guided conversation regarding "War on Women".