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Racism made us believe MSG was dangerous.

Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:12 am
Posted by djmed
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:12 am
Racism made us believe MSG was dangerous. Now, chefs are bringing the once-controversial seasoning back into the spotlight.


MSG has been branded as a dangerous food ingredient for decades, especially associated with Chinese cuisine.
The problematic controversy isn't rooted in science, but instead, racism.
Chefs of today are advocating to debunk dated myths about the ingredient's health impacts.
In 2019, Lucky Lee's, a fast-casual Chinese American restaurant in New York City, closed its doors after less than a year in business. According to a since-deleted Instagram post, the owner vowed to serve "clean Chinese" food that included less salt, grease, and would leave customers feeling less "bloated and icky." While the white-owned restaurant was met with immediate backlash for racist rhetoric, its original premise, to improve Chinese food fit for the refined western palate, sheds light on a prolonged battle between the Chinese food industry and racist myths about one commonly used ingredient — MSG.


"Instead of going to In-N-Out, they will settle for McDonald's because it's closer, cheaper, and faster," Powell, the managing principal at the industry consultancy Foodservice IP, told Insider. "Believe it or

Monosodium glutamate, abbreviated as MSG, is a popular flavor enhancer that has been popularized as a harmful processed additive mostly found in Chinese dishes, despite a plethora of scientific evidence that says the opposite. Not only has MSG been deemed GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) by the FDA, it is also naturally occurring in some foods, such as tomato products, protein isolates, and cheeses. Everything from chips to condiments, and frozen meals and fast foods, are also likely to contain MSG.


'Chinese Restaurant Syndrome'
The debate of whether MSG is safe for consumption began in 1968, when a doctor wrote a letter titled "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome," to the New England Journal of Medicine, complaining of falling ill after eating at Chinese restaurants. The story sparked outrage against the ingredient, quickly spreading the idea that Chinese food was dangerous. A year later, a scientific paper identifying MSG as "the cause of the Chinese restaurant syndrome," was published and claimed that it could cause "headaches, burning sensations, facial pressure, and chest pain."

It wasn't until 2020 that Merriam-Webster redefined its definition of Chinese restaurant syndrome from "a group of symptoms (such as numbness of the neck, arms, and back with headache, dizziness, and palpitations) that is held to affect susceptible persons eating food and especially Chinese food heavily seasoned with monosodium glutamate" to a term that is "offensive" and "dated." The so-called syndrome is one of several examples of viral monikers used to place blame on a country or group of people, and the effects are dangerous. Consider the COVID-19 global pandemic that former US president Donald Trump constantly, publicly referred to as the Chinese virus. Shortly after his racist rhetoric hit the mainstream, hate crimes against the Asian American community surged. Similarly, MSG myths impacted the Chinese food industry, so much so that "No MSG restaurants" lists exist all over the internet and many Chinese takeout restaurants still advertise against MSG use today.

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Posted by SingleMalt1973
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Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:18 am to
I’ll have the bat soup
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:19 am
Posted by Jimbeaux
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:19 am to
You’re racist if you don’t want to eat MSG.

What a clown world
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:23 am to
I could never figure out why Chick fil a is so popular. It’s just a plain chicken sandwich. Come to find out part of the seasoning is MSG. MSG Makes almost everything taste better.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:25 am to
My son is a pro-MSG evangelist. "You know what this needs? MSG."

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:26 am to
This thread would make Afreaux's head explode
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:31 am to
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MSG Makes almost everything taste better.


Dat Umami



I don't really use MSG in my cooking but if I wanted an umami boost, I'd use it over things like mushrooms.
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:35 am to
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My son is a pro-MSG evangelist.
Can't say tht I have given it much thought. I understand what's been said about it over the years and I've eaten plenty of Chinese. People have food allergies. Maybe this Chinese restaurant syndrome are just people with allergies to MSG. But, I can't say I seek it out or even actively avoid it. Again, haven't given it much thought.

ETA - I prefer Thai food to Chinese. Does it have MSG in large quantities, also?
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:46 am
Posted by GrizzlyAlloy
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:37 am to
I always heard MSG also made you feel full quicker as another reason the Chinese buffets used it.
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:44 am to
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I always heard MSG also made you feel full quicker as another reason the Chinese buffets used it.


Plus, you're hungry again in 2 hours. You may be onto something.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:49 am to
That's the carbs (rice/cheap noodles), not the MSG
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 8:50 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:05 am to
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don't really use MSG in my cooking but if I wanted an umami boost, I'd use it over things like mushrooms.


Worcestershire

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:05 am to
Ancient Chinese secret!
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:06 am to
Everything can be construed as "racist" if you look deeply enough.

The truth about MSG being unhealthy lies with the American medical establishment's (and we know how honest they are) paranoia about sodium in the diet. Anything containing the word sodium was deemed a serious hazard, so it naturally followed in their minds that MSG was also bad.


Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:45 am to
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Racism made us believe MSG was dangerous. Now, chefs are bringing the once-controversial seasoning back into the spotlight.

Pepper says I've been here all along
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:47 am to
quote:

quote:
Racism made us believe MSG was dangerous. Now, chefs are bringing the once-controversial seasoning back into the spotlight.

Pepper says I've been here all along



Is this like that time Hillary was trying to appeal to a black audience by telling them she kept a bottle of hot sauce in her purse?
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:53 am to
That was a huge cringe moment, even for her.
Posted by Von
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:17 am to
Goya Sazon seasoning is coriander and MSG. The Latinos love them some MSG too.
I use Sazon in the dredge when I fry up some Pollo Campero knockoff fried chicken.
Next time I might try it without the Sazon just to see if there's a real difference.
I think the brine is doing most of the work anyway. I use that brine before barbequing chicken with a mustard based sauce.

knockoff Pollo Campero chicken.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:56 am to
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Consider the COVID-19 global pandemic that former US president Donald Trump constantly, publicly referred to as the Chinese virus. Shortly after his racist rhetoric hit the mainstream, hate crimes against the Asian American community surged.

Now, be very specific in the demographic that was overwhelmingly the majority of those individuals who committed "hate crimes" against asians. And now that you've identified that group of individuals, try and convince me that their actions were based upon their firm support of Donald Trump.

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