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Quick quiz: Who has been tougher on Russia?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:17 pm
Obama or Trump?
Same question for China.
Same question for North Korea.
Who is working to strengthen NATO?
Who is working to strengthen the US military?
Are those "pro-Russian" actions?
For all the handwriting and navel gazing about what Trump SAYS, his actions and policies should be what matters.
Same question for China.
Same question for North Korea.
Who is working to strengthen NATO?
Who is working to strengthen the US military?
Are those "pro-Russian" actions?
For all the handwriting and navel gazing about what Trump SAYS, his actions and policies should be what matters.
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:18 pm to udtiger
Trump but he says stupid shite.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:20 pm to Pecker
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Trump but he says stupid shite
Yes, he does. But shouldn't actions matter more?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:22 pm to udtiger
TRUDEAU
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:23 pm to Pecker
quote:
Trump but he says stupid shite.
Because he isn’t geared to be the politician. He is geared to get shite done.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:25 pm to udtiger
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:26 pm to udtiger
quote:
But shouldn't actions matter more?
yes
but they ignore us selling weapons to ukraine, sanctions on russia, kicking out diplomats and closing seattle consulate and killing two hundred russians in syria.
idiots
oh and putin made me vote for trump
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:33 pm to udtiger
quote:they do matter more which is why I think he wins in 2020. I just want him to have the best words
Yes, he does. But shouldn't actions matter more?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:40 pm to udtiger
quote:
But shouldn't actions matter more?
They should but so many people seem to focus solely on rhetoric.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:50 pm to udtiger
quote:
Obama or Trump?
Obama. Cant believe that's a serious question. Why don't you do a little research and then come back
quote:
Same question for China.
Neither.
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Same question for North Korea.
Seriously? Lol
quote:
Who is working to strengthen NATO?
Not Trump.
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Are those "pro-Russian" actions?
Throwing your IC under the bus for Putin and easing sanctions isn't pro American. Its well known that the Russians tried to meddle in our election yet Trump called the whole thing a witch hunt. Sorry but it seems like you're trying a little too hard here
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:54 pm to udtiger
One thing I noticed when I used to watch the Apprentice is Trump gets something in his mind about a contestant doing something wrong and he just complains about it incessantly, even the next week. I used to scream at my TV "let it go, Trump. It's not a big deal." (I didn't literally scream, but you get the idea).
But, the reverse was also true: he found contestants he liked and he constantly tried to promote them, even when they clearly weren't as good as some others. And I am not talking about Celebrity Apprentice, but the "original" one where there were real business people trying to get a job.
Most of the time, though, I think Trump made the right choice on that show. Usually the best and smartest made it to the finals.
Anyway, I think this is what's happening with Russia. I think Trump thinks he can get something done with Putin, when it's highly unlikely in reality. That's just Trump. He is stubborn in a lot of ways and wont give on an idea very easily. However, I think he'll eventually see that Russia is a lost cause as long as Putin is in power.
But, the reverse was also true: he found contestants he liked and he constantly tried to promote them, even when they clearly weren't as good as some others. And I am not talking about Celebrity Apprentice, but the "original" one where there were real business people trying to get a job.
Most of the time, though, I think Trump made the right choice on that show. Usually the best and smartest made it to the finals.
Anyway, I think this is what's happening with Russia. I think Trump thinks he can get something done with Putin, when it's highly unlikely in reality. That's just Trump. He is stubborn in a lot of ways and wont give on an idea very easily. However, I think he'll eventually see that Russia is a lost cause as long as Putin is in power.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:57 pm to udtiger
Publicly Trump has been soft on Putin but from a policy perspective he has been much tougher on him than Obama was.
That said you don't go in front of the entire world and side with a murderous lying thug over your intelligence community and party. It is stupid and it made him look weak and when the president looks weak the country looks weak. Putin scored a major propaganda win.
That said you don't go in front of the entire world and side with a murderous lying thug over your intelligence community and party. It is stupid and it made him look weak and when the president looks weak the country looks weak. Putin scored a major propaganda win.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:01 am to fargobison
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Publicly Trump has been soft on Putin but from a policy perspective he has been much tougher on him than Obama was.
Wtf are you talking about? How so? He has eased sanctions on Russia compared to Obama. Stop making stuff up.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:02 am to Ebbandflow
quote:This is not true.
He has eased sanctions on Russia compared to Obama.
A few things off the top of my head where he has been tougher than Obama
1) Actually bombed Assad in Syria
2) selling arms to Ukraine
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:07 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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HailHailtoMichigan!
I know you're pretty knowledgeable about history. Don't you find it extraordinary that a Republican president sided with Russia , especially when anti-communist zeal and thought was the glue that held the GOP coalition together for decades. It's quite remarkable.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:13 am to Ebbandflow
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Wtf are you talking about? How so? He has eased sanctions on Russia compared to Obama. Stop making stuff up.
Sanctions from when Russia invaded Crimea have still not been lifted, he has issued more sanctions on their defense and energy industries and even agreed that the sanctions could not be changed by executive order. He has sold lethal weapons to Ukraine and he ordered missiles to be fired in Syria targeting operations/sites that were allies of Russia. He expelled 60 of their diplomats after the UK attack...there are more things I could list.
The media may not report it all but he has been tough on Russia when it comes to policy.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 12:14 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:24 am to Toddy
quote:Russia today isn't completely the ideological red menace it was in the 20th century.
especially when anti-communist zeal and thought was the glue that held the GOP coalition together for decades. It's quite remarkable.
Trump has been pretty clear throughout both the campaign and as president that he doesn't want to be at odds with russia because he thinks they can play a role in solving certain global problems. Whether or not it is a correct worldview is up to you. I do not trust russia, but I don't think it benefits anyone to be warring with them, either.
To be honest, I think Trump's ego is at play here. The issue is that Trump (because the media is conflating collusion with interference) seems to think that Russian meddling in the 2016 election makes HIM look bad. Trump is really big on making his image look better. He doesn't want to believe russian meddled because he has bought into the not-neccessarily-true narrative that because russia favored him in 2016, he is therefore guilty by association. Trump's ego is a marvel, and I think he downplayed russia's election "meddling" because he doesn't want any taint on himself.
Trump needs to realize that, assuming no collusion, it doesn't reflect badly on Trump that Russia wanted him to win. That is understandable. What he could have done today was still stroke his ego by denying collusion, but not publicly downplaying the actual hacking/interference itself.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 12:41 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Bingo on this last post.
Trump conflated collusion and meddling because if there was any attempt it makes him feel delegit as the winner of the election in the eyes of his enemies. Even though- as many dems on this board have admitted- the meddling did not make a difference in the results.
He needs to differentiate the two items and clearly say:
1) no collusion (as he has said). I beat Crooked fair and square and MAGA is working.
2) there appears to have been meddling and our people say Russia. Putin denies it. There will be future sanctions if this happens again. No mas.
He should not criticize the US intelligence on foreign soil in front of our biggest competitor. He won't apologize (not his style)- but he needs to make that mistake better somehow.
Trump conflated collusion and meddling because if there was any attempt it makes him feel delegit as the winner of the election in the eyes of his enemies. Even though- as many dems on this board have admitted- the meddling did not make a difference in the results.
He needs to differentiate the two items and clearly say:
1) no collusion (as he has said). I beat Crooked fair and square and MAGA is working.
2) there appears to have been meddling and our people say Russia. Putin denies it. There will be future sanctions if this happens again. No mas.
He should not criticize the US intelligence on foreign soil in front of our biggest competitor. He won't apologize (not his style)- but he needs to make that mistake better somehow.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:02 am to Pecker
quote:
Yes, he does. But shouldn't actions matter more?
they do matter more which is why I think he wins in 2020.
The one thing Trump needs to assure his victory in 2020 is for RBG to stay alive. I spoke with a couple of evangelicals here in TN today who despise him yet voted for him only for the SCOTUS appointments. If RBG croaks and the conservatives get a 6-3 edge on the court before 2020, they'll drop Trump in a heartbeat.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 1:03 am
Posted on 7/17/18 at 1:07 am to udtiger
Donald Trump took Putin's side today and sided with the communists over his fellow Americans. He made America look the weakest she has ever looked on the world stage in our lives. That's a fact and is indisputable.
He is more concerned with himself than he is with defending and being a leader of this country .
He is more concerned with himself than he is with defending and being a leader of this country .
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