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Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:59 am
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 7:59 am
These are sincere questions. It won’t change my mind but there are things I marvel about, and I would like to hear your thoughts:

1) Most Americans see cancel culture as a left wing invention. Do you believe cancel culture is helping your party, hurting your party, or giving your party a false sense of confidence - bc your opposition is underground? If so, why.

2) Do you believe that moving public housing to suburban neighborhoods and eliminating charter schools helps you with working class voters? If so, why.

3) Do you realize that the economic shutdown demanded by the same people who are now blaming Trump for a bad economy? Do you fear that instead people will blame the bad economy on the people who demanded that it close?

4) If Biden wins, should Durham be fired? If so, why.
Posted by BarnHater
Member since May 2015
6766 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:00 am to
This board is full of left-learning Marxist dems. Expect a ton of downvotes. I’ll do my best by upvoting you.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:02 am to
Number 3 calls for them to do a bit of self reflection, so don’t expect an answer
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
98720 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:07 am to
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This board is full of left-learning Marxist dems.


We're not learning Comrade, we are quite learned.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 8:08 am
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:26 am to
I'll try to answer as fairly as I can.

quote:

1) Most Americans see cancel culture as a left wing invention. Do you believe cancel culture is helping your party, hurting your party, or giving your party a false sense of confidence - bc your opposition is underground? If so, why.


Leaving aside that "cancel culture" has been around forever. It is literally the same thing as the "political correctness" complaints of years past. There's not a lot of indication that it matters to much to the marginal voter. People who get worked up about that kinda thing probably have already picked a side. We'll see I guess.

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2) Do you believe that moving public housing to suburban neighborhoods and eliminating charter schools helps you with working class voters? If so, why.

These are local issues so this would probably depend pretty heavily on the locality. I would think this is a thing that governors and mayors would have greater reason to worry about.

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3) Do you realize that the economic shutdown demanded by the same people who are now blaming Trump for a bad economy? Do you fear that instead people will blame the bad economy on the people who demanded that it close?

I think most people get that the virus caused the economic collapse and the mitigation efforts that followed. I don't think anyone blames Trump for that. In particular since that the virus, the economic collapse, and the lockdowns were a worldwide phenomenon. But if the rest of the world gets back to normal and we're still struggling because he haven't successful put down the virus, well, someone should be held accountable for that.
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4) If Biden wins, should Durham be fired? If so, why.

If Biden wins, he'll probably bring in an entirely new slate of US Attorneys as is customary when a new President takes office.

Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:34 am to
my actual questions for you.

since technology is replacing line workers in manufacturing and since people in foreign countries will do anything a high school graduate can do for 1/10th the pay, why do you oppose guaranteed income?

isnt the worlds biggest prison population convincing you our system has failed?

Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:36 am to
Where’s the guaranteed income coming from?
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:43 am to
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Where’s the guaranteed income coming from?



Our poor already have a higher standard of living than the average European. How much more could we give them? And how would that fix their problems?
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15396 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:53 am to
Thank you longway for your sincere answers.
Two follow ups:

1) to your point about PC/Cancel Culture. . . Do you see cancel culture as an outgrowth of it? (FWIW I do and I fear that we’re beginning to be at the endpoint I
always feared about it). I don’t think either are popular ideas, and the embrace and participation by high profile Democrats in Cancel Culture will be a problem in 2020, esp if Trump makes it a referendum on it. Do you think so?

2) Durham was appointed as a “special prosecutor” - kind of like Mueller. If he’s fired by Biden before he’s completed his investigation, should the investigation also be terminated?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21682 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:57 am to
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Where’s the guaranteed income coming from?


Money printer go brrrrrr.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57132 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 8:59 am to
quote:

4) If Biden wins, should Durham be fired? If so, why.


He will be fired and not a peep will come from the media and democrat politicians like Schumer and Pelosi. Reverse the roles, though, and watch the explosions.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15396 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:01 am to
quote:

since technology is replacing line workers in manufacturing and since people in foreign countries will do anything a high school graduate can do for 1/10th the pay, why do you oppose guaranteed income?


I oppose guaranteed income bc gainful employment is good for the mental health of the population and anything that discourages gainful employment is bad public policy.

Cheap labor in foreign countries is why I oppose gloabalism, and avoiding it affecting our workforce and the quality of goods in our country is why I voted for Trump. This idea is definitely not a chamber of commerce, mitt Romney Republican idea.

Globalism is terrible for our working class bc it blocks their access to employment, which hurts them in a myriad of ways. As a secondary concern it hurts foreign workers who don’t have labor laws. But seriously, I look in my own borders to determine what is good and bad public policy for the US. Offshoring employment is a horrid public policy that all of our elected officials should rail against.

Your second question is unintelligible.

ETA - and PS you answered none of mine

This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 9:05 am
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15396 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:02 am to
quote:

[Durham] will be fired and not a peep will come from the media and democrat politicians like Schumer and Pelosi. Reverse the roles, though, and watch the explosions.


Correct. The hypocrisy is so foul.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57132 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:05 am to
quote:

Correct. The hypocrisy is so foul.


Any reporting would be "how great Durham's termination is for democracy and the rule of law," and how his investigations were only warrantless hit jobs on Trump's political enemies and conspiracy theories.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:31 am to
quote:

isnt the worlds biggest prison population convincing you our system has failed?


The worlds biggest prison population has convinced us we need to stop paying people to breed.

Too many violent, worthless azzholes being raised by single Moms.
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

1) to your point about PC/Cancel Culture. . . Do you see cancel culture as an outgrowth of it? (FWIW I do and I fear that we’re beginning to be at the endpoint I
always feared about it). I don’t think either are popular ideas, and the embrace and participation by high profile Democrats in Cancel Culture will be a problem in 2020, esp if Trump makes it a referendum on it. Do you think so?



I think its a different name for the same thing and it's not new nor a particularly big deal. Humans have been "cancelling" each other for affronts to common social mores since the dawn of society. Most people, regardless of what they think, learn where the lines are and how not cross them.

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2) Durham was appointed as a “special prosecutor” - kind of like Mueller. If he’s fired by Biden before he’s completed his investigation, should the investigation also be terminated?

I'm not sure that's accurate. My understanding is that appointing a special counsel is a whole thing and this dude is just a regular US Attorney tasked with a particular investigation. Anyway, special counsel should be able to do their job to the conclusion of the investigation. Though I'd imagine they'll lose interest in this investigation one way or the other on November 4th.
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16336 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 5:09 pm to
If any of them responds to the truth they are hypocrites.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17788 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 6:07 pm to
quote:

I think its a different name for the same thing and it's not new nor a particularly big deal. Humans have been "cancelling" each other for affronts to common social mores since the dawn of society. Most people, regardless of what they think, learn where the lines are and how not cross them.


I appreciate your measured/thoughtful approach to exchanges on this board, but on this topic everything seems a little hazy. So I'll try to cut to the chase -

1. An Hispanic man was fired from his job with San Diego Gas & Electric for, as he says, cracking his knuckles while sitting idle at a red light, his arm resting/hanging out of his truck. A Karen took a picture of this and complained on Twitter about the "white nationalist" symbol she perceived.

2. A Boeing executive was forced to resign for opinions he expressed 33 years ago against women in combat. His opinions weren't expressed in a hateful/bigoted way, and they were mainstream back then.

3. A worker for a Dem polling firm was fired for Tweeting results from some of his work, specifically - "race riots reduce Democratic vote share" - nobody argued whether his data/results were accurate, the Twitter mob demanded his head because they didn't like reading his tweet.

You've suggested today's cancel culture is not new. Well, true in sense - the public has always expressed outrage at certain things that were found over the top/offensive, but are you suggesting it's not new to demand (and get) someone fired for cracking their knuckles or reporting findings from a poll they were paid to conduct?

Are you okay that in your country/culture today people are having their lives destroyed because they have a different opinion than the Left does, or is your argument that this isn't actually happening?
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 6:42 pm to
quote:

You've suggested today's cancel culture is not new. Well, true in sense - the public has always expressed outrage at certain things that were found over the top/offensive, but are you suggesting it's not new to demand (and get) someone fired for cracking their knuckles or reporting findings from a poll they were paid to conduct?



I'm not arguing that any of those things are fair. In particular 1 & 3. I guess I'm trying to imagine the "best year." As in, what was the year where we as a society got it close to right in that people could live without being discriminated against but also without fear of accidentally losing their job/reputation over nonsense like the above. This is a function inherent in line drawing; it's hard to get it right.

quote:

Are you okay that in your country/culture today people are having their lives destroyed because they have a different opinion than the Left does, or is your argument that this isn't actually happening?


I guess I'd distinguish cancelling, that is losing jobs versus just criticism on the internet which sometimes gets lumped in with cancelling. Anyway, I think the undeservedly losing job type of cancelling is a bigger deal politically and culturally, in particular among extremely online people, than it is a phenomenon that happens in the real world.

That all said, I don't think its good when people lose their jobs over BS. There is a trans lady who works at my hospital and I am terrified to say the wrong thing around her. But for the Grace of God go I, you know.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15035 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 6:55 pm to
1) Most Americans see cancel culture as a left wing invention. Do you believe cancel culture is helping your party, hurting your party, or giving your party a false sense of confidence - bc your opposition is underground? If so, why.

Hurting the party, not mainstream thought

2) Do you believe that moving public housing to suburban neighborhoods and eliminating charter schools helps you with working class voters? If so, why.

No. (Not sure about the charter schools though, we should work to make sure all schools are so good that charters are not needed, isnt that the best thing?)

3) Do you realize that the economic shutdown demanded by the same people who are now blaming Trump for a bad economy? Do you fear that instead people will blame the bad economy on the people who demanded that it close?

People dont want to die and especially not mom, dad, wifey and MOST especially not the kids. So Dems have this one in their favor. Even if it costs jobs, they want their eight year olds running around not in an ICU>

4) If Biden wins, should Durham be fired? If so, why.

I dont know who that is.
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