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re: Question for the "legalize all drugs" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:32 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:32 pm to Collegedropout
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People who are on probation, people who have gotten caught before and wish they could do it but don't, and perhaps a few people who have never even tried it and will now not be punished for it will start doing it. There is no need to do it. If you want to check out of society then really do it. Go live in the jungle. There should be no place for that here in this country.
People like you are why Democrats exist.
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:34 pm to Collegedropout
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Compare it to similar countries and you might have a point.
Can we compare the U.S. to the U.S.?
Because after the 21st Amendment alcohol usage rates declined significantly, violent crime rates declined significantly, public spending on alcohol enforcement declined significantly, and imprisonment of alcohol-related crimes declined significantly.
Or you and the rest of the people here incapable of analyzing data sets going to continue to move the goal post?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:34 pm to Collegedropout
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Compare it to similar countries and you might have a point. If the same things happened in similar countries I don't think there is much of a case to be made based off of that.
dude you are being like a religious fanatic on this case. Thankfully you are in the minority on this. It doesn't matter how much evidence is slammed on your head you have drawn the line in the sand and you won't be convinced otherwise because to use a common phrase republicans are so fond of. Muh drugs are bad m'kay.
So on that note I'm done with arguing with you and take solace on the fact you are on the losing side of this argument going forward whether you like it or not.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:40 pm to mindbreaker
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de you are being like a religious fanatic on this case. Thankfully you are in the minority on this. It doesn't matter how much evidence is slammed on your head you have drawn the line in the sand and you won't be convinced otherwise because to use a common phrase republicans are so fond of. Muh drugs are bad m'kay.
So on that note I'm done with arguing with you and take solace on the fact you are on the losing side of this argument going forward whether you like it or not.
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The guy has convinced himself that regardless of any argument, it’s just not gonna work because it isn’t being done now. Just no help for people like that. “We’ve never done it like that before so it won’t work”. Pretty sad really.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:41 pm to sparkinator
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Legalize possession. Sell it like alcohol. Allow testing by employers. Test by government for government assistance.
So you want to legalize it then add costs to employers and the government? So how much should I expect my taxes to increase because Joe Blow wants to shoot up heroin every weekend?
How many people will lose their jobs because companies now have to allocate a portion of their budget to drug tests?
How much can I expect my insurance premiums to increase once the emergency rooms get tired of taking in drug overdose patients?
Will we need to start adding more tests to public employees? How much will that cost? Local and state levels?
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It takes the money out of the cartels hands. Our border becomes much safer. Illegal immigration slows down. It cuts back costs of war on drugs. Frees up prisons that are costing us too much.
You think illegal immigration is tied in with the cartels? The cartels are a symptom of shitty Mexican governments and a shitty country, not a source of the strife.
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It cuts back costs of war on drugs. Frees up prisons that are costing us too much.
And how much added costs to put these people in hospital beds?
How much added costs to the police call outs to a drugged up idiots? How many more law enforcement agencies are going to be sued for "unnecessary force" ?
How many more families will be crushed from their family members getting hit on the roads by Johnny nobody shooting up and getting in the car?
How many more children taken into CPS because their parents are shooting up everyday and can barely feed or clothe them?
This isnt Portugal or some other European shite hole with a population of 10 million or less with a 75%+ white population. This is a huge, extremely diverse country with many many different cultures.
The European comparisons are hilariously bad and pointless. There's no comparison.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:43 pm to cwill
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Are you going to start using heroin if it's made legal? How many people do you know that would take up the wonderful life of heroin use, but for the legal bar?
Are you asserting that heroin usage will not rise at all if it is legalized/decriminalized?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:44 pm to the808bass
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Are you asserting that heroin usage will not rise at all if it is legalized/decriminalized?
It might. It would also be safer.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
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This isnt Portugal or some other European shite hole with a population of 10 million or less with a 75%+ white population. This is a huge, extremely diverse country with many many different cultures.
The European comparisons are hilariously bad and pointless. There's no comparison.
Please show me some example where prohibition has decreased usage rates.
Also, from your line of thinking, it seems that you clearly support gun control.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:50 pm to Antonio Moss
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Please show me some example where prohibition has decreased usage rates.
Please show me where Portugal has a comparable population to the U.S..
Portugal is also 81% Catholic and explain to me their illegal immigration policies.
You're comparison is so bad it's not even funny. There's so many differences between the U.S. and Portugal.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:51 pm to tiggerthetooth
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tiggerthetooth
is the war on drugs working?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:51 pm to tiggerthetooth
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So you want to legalize it then add costs to employers and the government? So how much should I expect my taxes to increase because Joe Blow wants to shoot up heroin every weekend?
How many people will lose their jobs because companies now have to allocate a portion of their budget to drug tests?
Most descent companys to work for are testing already so that point is mute.
And the war on drugs costs upwards of 80 billion dollars a year. You spread that over any additional costs associated with legalizing drugs and the US would be money ahead.
And just how could we afford to repeal prohibition? You’d think it would have bankrupted the US to allow people to buy and sell alcohol.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
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So how much should I expect my taxes to increase because Joe Blow wants to shoot up heroin every weekend?
they will go down because it's cheaper to send them to rehab than pay for 3 hots and cot inside a cage.
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ow many people will lose their jobs because companies now have to allocate a portion of their budget to drug tests?
the exact same amount that it's happening to now. When weed is legalized if my company tests for it like they do currently well I just cant do it then can I. This isn't something new in private industry its existed widespread since the 80's and companies supplement the cost to insurance reductions for testing.
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Will we need to start adding more tests to public employees? How much will that cost? Local and state levels?
according to republicans we should be drug testing welfare recipients anyway. Why be for that then have a sudden reversal on testing the public sector. There is more of a case to test a senator than someone receiving WIC
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And how much added costs to put these people in hospital beds?
a significant amount less than a prison cell by a lot
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How much added costs to the police call outs to a drugged up idiots? How many more law enforcement agencies are going to be sued for "unnecessary force" ?
How many more families will be crushed from their family members getting hit on the roads by Johnny nobody shooting up and getting in the car?
How many more children taken into CPS because their parents are shooting up everyday and can barely feed or clothe them?
are yo living under a rock this is happening now with alcohol. If you invest money into rehabilitation instead of incarceration you would actually see a decrease in this. Heroin addict that wants to get help to get clean can't afford the 40,000 rehab bill, but one funding through money we saved on the incarcerations bill would be easily accessible.
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The European comparisons are hilariously bad and pointless. There's no comparison.
at least that comparison provides evidence. You are providing nothing but fear mongering with nothing to back it up but the fact you "think" this is whats going to happen
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
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You think illegal immigration is tied in with the cartels? The cartels are a symptom of shitty Mexican governments and a shitty country, not a source of the strife.
They are escaping a shitty government that is run by the cartels. Remove the cartels, and Mexico would at least have a chance at a descent government.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:00 pm to sparkinator
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They are escaping a shitty government that is run by the cartels. Remove the cartels, and Mexico would at least have a chance at a descent government.
It wasn't always run by the cartels.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:00 pm to Antonio Moss
Its a lot cheaper than healthcare
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:01 pm to tiggerthetooth
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How many more families will be crushed from their family members getting hit on the roads by Johnny nobody shooting up and getting in the car?
How many more children taken into CPS because their parents are shooting up everyday and can barely feed or clothe them?
How many are now? And testing should be done for anyone applying for services. If you want to drive on public roads, get tested.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
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It wasn't always run by the cartels.
It wasn't always as violent
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:04 pm to TxTiger82
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The risk inherent in smuggling it is what makes it so expensive and, therefore, profitable
Correct. Simple economic fact, but I don't think economics is very popular here.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:04 pm to tiggerthetooth
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t wasn't always run by the cartels.
But it is now. And the government has gotten worse as the cartels have gotten more powerful.
Again, was prohibition a good idea? Was repealing it a good idea?
Did it bankrupt the US to take liquor from the mafia and give it back to the distilleries?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:05 pm to mindbreaker
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at least that comparison provides evidence. You are providing nothing but fear mongering with nothing to back it up but the fact you "think" this is whats going to happen
Fear mongering? I don't want to pay for you or your buddies to shoot up. I don't want the burden of your poor life choices. Too many people are already paying enough for other people that make poor life decisions as it is.
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Portugal decriminalised the use of all drugs in 2001. Weed, cocaine, heroin, you name it — Portugal decided to treat possession and use of small quantities of these drugs as a public health issue, not a criminal one. The drugs were still illegal, of course.
Lol. Portugal hasn't even really legalized on the level you're talking about. Wow.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:06 pm
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