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re: Question for the "legalize all drugs" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:20 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:20 pm to Collegedropout
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I am pretty sure Heroin is very hard to detect in a drug test. I think it gets out of your system rather fast
urine 2 days but you can detect in hair for 3 months.
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:20 pm to bhtigerfan
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Traffic fatalities linked to marijuana are up sharply in Colorado
LOL at them trying to deny the increase in traffic fatalities has nothing to do with legalization.
considering a reliable test to determine if someone is impaired on marijuana currently doesn't exist. I would have to say any stat claiming that legalization has had any effect on traffic accidents is complete and utter hogwash.
The only reason it is even put together in the first place is so prohibitions supporters can have a soapbox to stand on claiming they were right all along.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:20 pm to Collegedropout
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We have gotten to the point where we pass out prescription drugs like candy and it has gone hand in hand with the heroin epidemic.
So what would change with legal heroin?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:21 pm to Antonio Moss
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So wrong.
Portugal decriminalized all drug possession in 2001. Usage rates have fallen in the seventeen years since:
What's the population of Portugal again? What are their immigration policies like ?
This is such an awful example.
And we should be a socialist country because it worked in Denmark, right?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:21 pm to Collegedropout
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We have gotten to the point where we pass out prescription drugs like candy and it has gone hand in hand with the heroin epidemic
nope...wrong again, they handed out prescription drugs like candy, got a bunch of people addicted as frick and then decided to take it away and make it impossible to get it without going black market.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:22 pm to Collegedropout
quote:I do a good bit of divorce/custody work. No, Heroin is not hard to detect. It dissipates pretty quickly, but no judge on the planet still orders only a urine test. Hair and fingernails handle the issue.
I am pretty sure Heroin is very hard to detect in a drug test. I think it gets out of your system rather fast
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:22 pm to Collegedropout
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How many businesses really do that?
lots do that actually care if you are on drugs.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:23 pm to Collegedropout
quote:. I’m not sure how many are concerned with marijuana testing but it is legal. The same can be done for any substance that is made legal, but has harmful effects when working with others.
How many businesses really do that?
Alcohol is legal but show up for work drunk and get tested and you’re fired.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:23 pm to TH03
People who are on probation, people who have gotten caught before and wish they could do it but don't, and perhaps a few people who have never even tried it and will now not be punished for it will start doing it. There is no need to do it. If you want to check out of society then really do it. Go live in the jungle. There should be no place for that here in this country.
"Muh morals" is a libertarians biggest fear.
"Muh morals" is a libertarians biggest fear.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
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What's the population of Portugal again? What are their immigration policies like ?
This is such an awful example.
And we should be a socialist country because it worked in Denmark, right?
as opposed to what we are doing now since it works so well too, right?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:24 pm to lsu777
How are they impossible to get now? They are not.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:25 pm to sparkinator
Most companies just use piss tests though, if they even drug test. I doubt very many would do a hair sample.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
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What's the population of Portugal again? What are their immigration policies like ?
shitty rebuttal is shitty. It has gone on for 18 years and is a large enough sample size to draw conclusions from. No study done on anything in the history of ever has tested every possible scenario to account for size. If that was the case there would be no studies ever completed. but you keep trying there boo-boo
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:27 pm to mindbreaker
Compare it to similar countries and you might have a point. If the same things happened in similar countries I don't think there is much of a case to be made based off of that.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:28 pm to AggieHank86
Talking about for a job
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:28 pm to tiggerthetooth
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What's the population of Portugal again? What are their immigration policies like ?
10 million
Liberal immigration policy as a member of the EU
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This is such an awful example.
Nope. It provides actual data that shows prohibition is ineffective which reinforces data sets from previous deregulation/decriminalization such as the US's deregulation of alcohol in the 1920s. This is in opposition to prohibition supporters who can provide no evidence that prohibition actually decreases usage rates.
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And we should be a socialist country because it worked in Denmark, right?
Denmark isn't a socialist country. They have a free market that is less regulated than ours.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:29 pm to Antonio Moss
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They have a free market that is less regulated than ours.
And 20% higher taxes or so
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:30 pm to Collegedropout
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ost companies just use piss tests though, if they even drug test. I doubt very many would do a hair sample.
Dammit. Quit being obtuse.
How the frick do you know what they would do?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:31 pm to Collegedropout
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And 20% higher taxes or so
Which has nothing to do with socialism.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:32 pm to bhtigerfan
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We've already got a herion epidemic in some parts of the country. What the frick you think will happen if it's legalized?
1) Legalization would decrease the supply of heroin, not increase it. The risk inherent in smuggling it is what makes it so expensive and, therefore, profitable. Remove the risk, the price will fall to the point where it makes no sense to import it at all.
2) The epidemic is not a "heroin epidemic." It is an "opioid epidemic." This is an important distinction because most people get hooked on legal, prescribed opioids like oxycontin, and move to heroin only when they no longer have access to the legal stuff. If you want to fix the opioid epidemic, you need to look at doctors who prescribe it and pharmaceutical corporations who manufacture it and incentivize its prescription by the doctors.
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