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re: Question for the "legalize all drugs" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:57 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:57 pm to Collegedropout
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Because that is what has happened with marijuana as Colorado legalized.
I think you have it backwards
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:58 pm to idlewatcher
quote:LOL at them trying to deny the increase in traffic fatalities has nothing to do with legalization.
Traffic fatalities linked to marijuana are up sharply in Colorado
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:58 pm to RidiculousHype
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For example, if you say “I should be able to drive without a seatbelt - my body, my choice”. It sounds great. But if you get into an accident and your body gets thrown 50 yards down the highway, the burden to clean you and your organs off the road fall to someone else - someone else who has to go home after work and try not to think of those images.
If seeing dead bodies is so unpalatable to that person, they should not have taken a job which gives them a high probability of seeing dead bodies.
As for financial societal impact, I would be willing to wager that the money saved by ceasing to enforce draconian drug laws would more than make up for any increase in public funding to rehab facilities. Even if it was a wash or more expensive, IMO it's a worthwhile trade off as it frees up our law enforcement to worry about actual crime, instead of arbitrarily banned plant extract.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:59 pm to bhtigerfan
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:01 pm to WikiTiger
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Go search for some data to back up your argument
you mean "LOL" isn't sufficient?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:02 pm to CptRusty
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If seeing dead bodies is so unpalatable to that person, they should not have taken a job which gives them a high probability of seeing dead bodies.
As for financial societal impact, I would be willing to wager that the money saved by ceasing to enforce draconian drug laws would more than make up for any increase in public funding to rehab facilities. Even if it was a wash or more expensive, IMO it's a worthwhile trade off as it frees up our law enforcement to worry about actual crime, instead of arbitrarily banned plant extract.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:04 pm to Collegedropout
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This libertarian argument that people will never start doing things if the punishment goes away has absolutely NO backing in history,
So wrong.
Portugal decriminalized all drug possession in 2001. Usage rates have fallen in the seventeen years since:
Deaths from drug use have plummeted:
HIV rates have plummeted as well:
And the cherry on top:
quote:
And a widely cited study published in 2010 in the British Journal of Criminology found that after decriminalization, Portugal saw a decrease in imprisonment on drug-related charges alongside a surge in visits to health clinics that deal with addiction and disease.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:05 pm to Collegedropout
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Because that is what has happened with marijuana as Colorado legalized. Also with prescription drugs like Xanax and Oxycodone. Oxy is basically Heroin, but you have normal people getting them prescribed, and occasionally getting addicted
I don't know what to tell you, but you must live in some weird alternate reality. Marijuana is socially acceptable because it isn't dangerous. Nothing else you listed meets that criteria.
I've been told to stay away from that guy or that girl because they are "bar babies." (Xanax) Warned and told to avoid people that are always on Oxy. Is that socially acceptable? Seems demonized.
I'm guessing you are old because you seem out of touch.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:07 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:Schoolkids? Absolutely not. Legally-competent adults, absolutely.
I can somewhat see the legalization of marijuana, but what about the hard drugs like heroin?
We've already got a herion epidemic in some parts of the country. What the frick you think will happen if it's legalized?
I'm not ready to see high school kids shooting up heroin. Are you?
Same applies to motorcycle helmets, seatbelts, bungee jumping, scuba diving or auto-erotic asphyxiation. It is your body, do whatever you want with it.
With the caveat that the taxpayer does not pay the bill for your inevitable fark-up and that insurance companies have every right to write their policies in a way that excludes coverage for your risky activities.
In anticipation of the inevitable "what if" chorus, yes that also includes smoking/obesity and coverage for their related healthcare costs.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:frick no, but I'm not everyone or a teenager with questionable judgment.
Would you use if it's legal?
Do you deny that legalizing something brings a certain acceptance of it in society?
Wouldn't this encourage certain people with bad judgement to possibly try it?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:10 pm to bhtigerfan
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Wouldn't this encourage certain people with bad judgement to possibly try it?
In your opinion, how effective are drug laws at preventing precisely this?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:10 pm to RichardS
Just the opposite
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:11 pm to bhtigerfan
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Do you deny that legalizing something brings a certain acceptance of it in society?
I deny this, yes
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Wouldn't this encourage certain people with bad judgement to possibly try it?
these people are already trying it
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:12 pm to bhtigerfan
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Wouldn't this encourage certain people with bad judgement to possibly try it?
Just because the substance is legal to own doesn’t mean you can’t lose your job, scholarship, etc by taking it. Look at Colorado. Just because recreational use is legal, businesses can still fire you for use.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:13 pm to CptRusty
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how effective are drug laws at preventing precisely this?
this is what I'll never understand
everyone is willing to admit that we are absolutely losing the "war on drugs", but try to change the philosophy to combat the issue, and certain people refuse to try anything new
it's insanity
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:14 pm to Salmon
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these people are already trying it
yep. And if they have such bad decision making skills that they are now going to run out and try it, well do really care if they OD themselves? I know I don't. I want them out the gene pool.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:16 pm to sparkinator
I am pretty sure Heroin is very hard to detect in a drug test. I think it gets out of your system rather fast
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:18 pm to Salmon
We have gotten to the point where we pass out prescription drugs like candy and it has gone hand in hand with the heroin epidemic.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:19 pm to Collegedropout
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I am pretty sure Heroin is very hard to detect in a drug test. I think it gets out of your system rather fast
Hair samples.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 1:20 pm to sparkinator
How many businesses really do that?
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