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re: Question for the "legalize all drugs" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:33 pm to sparkinator
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:33 pm to sparkinator
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It takes the money out of the cartels hands.
There will still likely be "cartels" that sell it to minors, since it will be everywhere now, and it is likely these "cartels" will now be gangs in our backyard as opposed to another country.
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:35 pm to bhtigerfan
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I can somewhat see the legalization of marijuana, but what about the hard drugs like heroin?
We've already got a herion epidemic in some parts of the country. What the frick you think will happen if it's legalized?
I'm not ready to see high school kids shooting up heroin. Are you?
This is a stupid BamaAtl argument.
Take it back.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:37 pm to weagle99
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Because we are subsidizing bad choices so that people are allowed to avoid consequences.
I agree, we are subsidizing bad choices, but I don't think removing penalties from bad choices is the way to go.
I don't think throwing the opioid addict in jail is the way to go. Rehabilitation is right for the addict, and severe penalties for any medical professional irresponsibly writing those scripts should be in order.
I've a family member who is fighting with pill addiction, and his immediate family doesn't want to acknowledge he has a problem. Well, one of his children does. She's told me his doctor, the same one, will write him near endless scripts of whatever he wants. That is the problem. At least for Rx abuse and addiction.
Yes, on a fundamental level, he is responsible for his decisions to take the drugs, but it is the medical professional who is trained on the side effects and who ultimately controls the tap on the drug's availability. I can't help but think had he been more regulatory in writing those scripts, my family member may not be in the predicament he's in today.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:38 pm to Collegedropout
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There will still likely be "cartels" that sell it to minors, since it will be everywhere now, and it is likely these "cartels" will now be gangs in our backyard as opposed to another country.
This is an exact duplicate of prohibition in the 20s. Did the mob gain power during prohibition? How much power did they lose at the end? Are they still bootlegging booze and making bathtub gin? No. Legalizing took away their power and money.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely. Why not? At what point to we draw the line at protecting people from their own choices?
Uhhhh, maybe to protect people from drugged up a-holes who are a greater risk to harm others.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:38 pm to Collegedropout
They can’t try it now? Can’t read the effects online now?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:41 pm to Taurus
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hhhh, maybe to protect people from drugged up a-holes who are a greater risk to harm others.
Legalizing drops the cost tremendously.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:42 pm to TH03
You have to deal with a very sketchy guy, which many people aren't willing to do. You can go to jail for it. Sometimes many years just for possessing it.
This very reason keeps people from SMOKING WEED. This is the reason many Americans only smoke weed when they go on vacation to Colorado, or just don't smoke it at all and wait for the day it is legal. I know dozens of people who thinks this.
If Heroin were more socially acceptable, which would probably happen, it won't be long before people who never would try it now will be.
This libertarian argument that people will never start doing things if the punishment goes away has absolutely NO backing in history, When you look at Bill Clinton's response to the gang crisis (or the crack crisis as you call it ) and the effect which was declining numbers of violence as we all saw it would seem the exact opposite is true.
This very reason keeps people from SMOKING WEED. This is the reason many Americans only smoke weed when they go on vacation to Colorado, or just don't smoke it at all and wait for the day it is legal. I know dozens of people who thinks this.
If Heroin were more socially acceptable, which would probably happen, it won't be long before people who never would try it now will be.
This libertarian argument that people will never start doing things if the punishment goes away has absolutely NO backing in history, When you look at Bill Clinton's response to the gang crisis (or the crack crisis as you call it ) and the effect which was declining numbers of violence as we all saw it would seem the exact opposite is true.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:43 pm to sparkinator
I see no comparison to alcohol and heroin
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:44 pm to Collegedropout
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There will still likely be "cartels" that sell it to minors, since it will be everywhere now, and it is likely these "cartels" will now be gangs in our backyard as opposed to another country.
No, there won't be. A cartel can't survive like that. When someone underage can do a "hey buddy" or ask an of age friend/relative, the market is gone.
The penalties for doing so should be severe, but cartels will be decimated, if not eliminated.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:44 pm to bhtigerfan
let these people kill themselves.
i think doing hard drugs is wrong, but people do them anyway. i say make it easy.
i don't agree with abortion, but if someone wants to kill their offspring it isn't necessarily all bad. good that we won't have another person that'll be like them.
i think doing hard drugs is wrong, but people do them anyway. i say make it easy.
i don't agree with abortion, but if someone wants to kill their offspring it isn't necessarily all bad. good that we won't have another person that'll be like them.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:46 pm to Collegedropout
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see no comparison to alcohol and heroin
That’s where your argument goes south. Controlling illegal substances by the government that some citizens want is exactly what’s going on. Some people just want to keep repeating the insanity that isn’t working.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:49 pm to Collegedropout
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This libertarian argument that people will never start doing things if the punishment goes away
This has nothing to do with libertarianism.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:50 pm to Collegedropout
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If Heroin were more socially acceptable, which would probably happen, it won't be long before people who never would try it now will be.
why do you think it would become more socially acceptable?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:51 pm to Collegedropout
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If Heroin were more socially acceptable, which would probably happen,
Lol what?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:52 pm to Salmon
Because that is what has happened with marijuana as Colorado legalized. Also with prescription drugs like Xanax and Oxycodone. Oxy is basically Heroin, but you have normal people getting them prescribed, and occasionally getting addicted
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:53 pm to Cosmo
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But we live in an entitlement society so we have to pay for the consequences of these people’s free will.
No legalization until consequences arent paid for freely
Because running addicts through the justice system and imprisoning them is free.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:54 pm to Collegedropout
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frick libertarianism. It makes you have no morals
Having no morals is preferable to having someone else's morals foisted upon you.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:54 pm to Collegedropout
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Also with prescription drugs like Xanax and Oxycodone. Oxy is basically Heroin, but you have normal people getting them prescribed, and occasionally getting addicted
Abusing those prescriptions isn’t socially acceptable.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 12:56 pm to bhtigerfan
A) like i give a frick if they kill themselves
B) do you really think people who want to do herion aren't doing it because " oh its illegal, I can't do that"
its an assinine arguement that people don't use hard drugs because they are illegal. I grew up in a household with a drug head mom and it was routine to find her passed out or walking around like a zombie. She didn't give a shite if it was illegal or legal, if she wanted a fix she was going to go get it. its the same with everyone else.
don't believe me? ask yourself this, if herion was made legal tomorrow, would you run out and try it? what about your respectable middle and upper class friends? The answer is frick no, because people don't skip out on herion because its illegal, they do it because its god damn herion and people(even the most ignorant amongst us) know what the hell it does to you.
B) do you really think people who want to do herion aren't doing it because " oh its illegal, I can't do that"
its an assinine arguement that people don't use hard drugs because they are illegal. I grew up in a household with a drug head mom and it was routine to find her passed out or walking around like a zombie. She didn't give a shite if it was illegal or legal, if she wanted a fix she was going to go get it. its the same with everyone else.
don't believe me? ask yourself this, if herion was made legal tomorrow, would you run out and try it? what about your respectable middle and upper class friends? The answer is frick no, because people don't skip out on herion because its illegal, they do it because its god damn herion and people(even the most ignorant amongst us) know what the hell it does to you.
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