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re: Question for the "legalize all drugs" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 5:56 pm to Taurus
Posted on 7/9/18 at 5:56 pm to Taurus
You’re skipping that many people sit in the parish prison for months because they can’t make bond.
And when was I just talking about marijuana? Want to try the same game with cocaine and heroine arrests? You know, the people facing actual years in prison?
And when was I just talking about marijuana? Want to try the same game with cocaine and heroine arrests? You know, the people facing actual years in prison?
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 5:57 pm
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 5:57 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:02 pm to bhtigerfan
Just a PSA:
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:06 pm to Joshjrn
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Want to try the same game with cocaine and heroine arrests?
For the most part, 1st time offenders 3-5 yrs probation, fines only. But again offenders will get jail time for contempt(missing court dates) or probation violation(s).
But the judges here are all over the map when it comes to sentencing.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:30 pm to DawgsLife
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Because gambling in Nevada and Atlantic City doesn't have a problem with the mafia, right? Just because you legalize something doesn't make crime go away. This is one of the silliest arguments people can make.
One of the mafias big money makers is selling counterfeit tax stamps for alcohol.
Did the mafia have more or less control of alcohol during prohibition?
The mafia is going to try to get into anything it can, but mafia/drug cartels will have pennies on the dollar with legalized drugs vs illegal.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:58 pm to Taurus
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For the most part, 1st time offenders 3-5 yrs probation, fines only. But again offenders will get jail time for contempt(missing court dates) or probation violation(s). But the judges here are all over the map when it comes to sentencing.
Yeah, the only part of that post that was accurate was that judges are all over the map. Fine only for possession of heroin? Stop it
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:00 pm to bhtigerfan
We aren't stopping anyone from doing them. Just criminalizing addiction. The war on drugs has been a total failure.
But no I don't think you should have people doing heroin in the street either.
But no I don't think you should have people doing heroin in the street either.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:24 pm to Collegedropout
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How are they impossible to get now? They are not.
Dude seriously do you not read anything? The FDA has made it hard as hell to get any opiates and if you do it's a very very limited supply. Great concept except they have already gotten a ton of people addicted.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:23 pm to Joshjrn
I think I said 3-5 yrs probation first, with fines for 1st offenders. Can you read, comprehend, mr. lawyer?
What I said is not an opinion fwiw.
Of course, there is a thing called possession with intent to distribute thingy that makes a difference in sentencing for 1st offenders.
What I said is not an opinion fwiw.
Of course, there is a thing called possession with intent to distribute thingy that makes a difference in sentencing for 1st offenders.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:49 pm to Taurus
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I think I said 3-5 yrs probation first, with fines for 1st offenders. Can you read, comprehend, mr. lawyer?
What I said is not an opinion fwiw.
I can read and comprehend just fine. You're simply speaking in the form of clipped bullshite. Hell, the fact that you think someone can be on probation for five years for possession of heroin tells me that you haven't the faintest idea as to what you're talking about.
But please, enlighten me as to what this one person told you this one time (that is most certainly not an opinion) and somehow meshes with your subsequent statement that the sentences judges give are "all over the map".
But you know what, at the end of the day, the first offender argument is stupid. Let's say Joe gets arrested and convicted for Possession of Heroin. Judge sentences him to 893 probation. While on probation, he picks up another arrest for possession of heroin (you know, because he's a heroin addict and Probation and Parole are woefully unequipped to deal with the problem). Want to tell me what he's facing in jail time, or do you need to phone a friend?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:08 pm to Joshjrn
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You're simply speaking in the form of clipped bull shite. Hell, the fact that you think someone can be on probation for five years for possession of heroin tells me that you haven't the faintest idea as to what you're talking about.
Clipped??? A defendant can be on probation for up to 5 yrs for 1 st offense.
Violation of probation is indeed jail time, length decided by the judge.
Not sure why your panties are in a wad, but Methinks it goes against your narrative of legalizing all drugs w/o restriction and all will be right in the world. pffft.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:10 pm to bhtigerfan
I’m for legalizing it all.
Then you treat the herion addicts as medical issues or even better let nature take its course
Then you treat the herion addicts as medical issues or even better let nature take its course
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:17 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I’m for legalizing it all.
w/o regulations?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:20 pm to Taurus
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Clipped??? A defendant can be on probation for up to 5 yrs for 1 st offense.
Wrong.
See: La. C.Cr.P. Art. 893 (A)(1)(a).
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Violation of probation is indeed jail time, length decided by the judge.
Really, so zero to infinity? Come on, how much?
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Not sure why your panties are in a wad, but Methinks it goes against your narrative of legalizing all drugs w/o restriction and all will be right in the world. pffft.
No panties and no wad. I simply don't like when people mistake playing a game of telephone with having actual knowledge or experience in a particular area.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:36 pm to Joshjrn
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Wrong.
See: La. C.Cr.P. Art. 893 (A)(1)(a).
Up to 5 yrs is on the table. Often? no, but there.
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Really, so zero to infinity? Come on, how much?
Depends on the situation, judge, defendant, DA, PD...you should know this.
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No panties and no wad. I simply don't like when people mistake playing a game of telephone with having actual knowledge or experience in a particular area.
You have a god complex. You think you know what I think and how I know what I know.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:40 pm to Taurus
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Up to 5 yrs is on the table. Often? no, but there.
Wrong. La. C.Cr.P. Art. 893 (A)(1)(a) states in relevant part: Except as provided in Paragraph G of this Article, the period of probation shall be specified and shall not be more than three years.
Subsection G refers specifically to alternative court clients with lengthy felony histories: G. If the court, with the consent of the district attorney, orders a defendant, upon a third conviction or fourth felony conviction, to enter and complete a program provided by the drug division of the district court pursuant to R.S. 13:5301, an established driving while intoxicated court or sobriety court program, a mental health court program established pursuant to R.S. 13:5351 et seq., a Veterans Court program established pursuant to R.S. 13:5361 et seq., a reentry court established pursuant to R.S. 13:5401, or the Swift and Certain Probation Pilot Program established pursuant to R.S. 13:5371, the court may place the defendant on probation for a period of not more than eight years if the court determines that successful completion of the program may require that period of probation to exceed the three-year limit. The court may not extend the duration of the probation period solely due to unpaid fees and fines. The period of probation as initially fixed or as extended shall not exceed eight years.
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Depends on the situation, judge, defendant, DA, PD...you should know this.
I do know the answer. What's becoming painfully obvious is that you don't. I asked for a range, not for you to throw a dart. So again, what is the possible range of time the individual is facing in my aforementioned hypothetical?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:42 pm to Taurus
Because this was a late addition...
Think? You fricking told us how you know what you know
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You have a god complex. You think you know what I think and how I know what I know.
Think? You fricking told us how you know what you know
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I have a relative that works in Public Defenders Office:
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:42 pm to bhtigerfan
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What the frick you think will happen if it's legalized?
Ask the Portuguese.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:44 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I’m for legalizing it all.
Then you treat the herion addicts as medical issues or even better let nature take its course
Lol. How much you want to bet that even if you legalize all drugs that U.S. citizens (leftistS) will still want to give medical coverage?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 9:52 pm to Joshjrn
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Wrong
Are you a public defender, ambulance chaser, prosecutor?
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I do know the answer. What's becoming painfully obvious is that you don't. I asked for a range, not for you to throw a dart. So again, what is the possible range of time the individual is facing in my aforementioned hypothetical?
From 3-10 yrs depending on the situation, judge, DA, defendant etc.
If 1st offenders for simple weed possession can get 60 days to 6 months is absurdly random, what heroin possessors get for sentences is just as absurd.
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