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re: Question for the "legalize all drugs" crowd.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Please show me where Portugal has a comparable population to the U.S..
Portugal is also 81% Catholic and explain to me their illegal immigration policies.
You're comparison is so bad it's not even funny. There's so many differences between the U.S. and Portugal.
you keep spitting the line out like it is some kind of gotcha statement. In reality it's show how biased you really are here.
There is literally no other country on the planet that even has a similar make-up to the dynamic in the U.S. So what you are essentially saying is no study, test, or data gathered anywhere else would work here because we are different. Wow, some of you hardheaded individuals are truly against any progress of any kind just for the sake of being against it.
At this point a country could decriminalize drugs and show it caused and increase to everyone's salary by 500,000 a year annually and you would be like, "Nah we shouldn't try that because there is a small chance it might cause us to only make 20,000 extra a year and i like it that way it is too much to risk that."
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:07 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Lol. Portugal hasn't even really legalized on the level you're talking about. Wow.
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Portugal decriminalised the use of all drugs in 2001.
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Portugal decriminalized all drug possession in 2001.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Please show me where Portugal has a comparable population to the U.S..
How is that relevant?
Portugal has roughly the same population and racial make-up as Ohio. Are you suggesting that this data set isn't comparable to Ohio?
Such deflective nonsense.
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Portugal is also 81% Catholic and explain to me their illegal immigration policies.
It's the EU immigration policy - very liberal.
Again, how is this at all relevant?
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You're comparison is so bad it's not even funny.
You keep saying this but can't explain a single reason as to why. And you can offer absolutely no evidence in support of your position. You're the kid sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling "I'm not listening."
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There's so many differences between the U.S. and Portugal.
Yeah, one big one is that Portugal competently handles drug use while the U.S. continues to spend billions of for negative results.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:09 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I don't want to pay for you or your buddies to shoot up.
You're paying for their court costs and prison time right now.
What's the benefit of drug prohibition?
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:09 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I don't want to pay for you or your buddies to shoot up.
But you are okay paying 5 times as much for them to sit in a jail cell. Yeah that makes all the sense.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:09 pm to Cosmo
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Its a lot cheaper than healthcare
Well that's incredibly false
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:11 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Lol. Portugal hasn't even really legalized on the level you're talking about. Wow.
They decriminalized it. That's what I advocate as do most sane people.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:13 pm to tiggerthetooth
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But it is now. And the government has gotten worse as the cartels have gotten more powerful.
Again, was prohibition a good idea? Was repealing it a good idea?
Did it bankrupt the US to take liquor from the mafia and give it back to the distilleries?
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wasn't always run by the cartels
But it is now. And the government has gotten worse as the cartels have gotten more powerful.
Again, was prohibition a good idea? Was repealing it a good idea?
Did it bankrupt the US to take liquor from the mafia and give it back to the distilleries?
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This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:30 pm to sparkinator
I'm talking about what happens now 
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:31 pm to Antonio Moss
If Heroin is going to become as acceptable as alcohol than I am not for legalizing it. They are not. good. comparisons.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:33 pm to sparkinator
Things were fine before prescription drugs were everywhere, things will only continue to get worse. I have seen it happen first hand in my generation, and I live in a damn good area.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:34 pm to CptRusty
And people like you are why we live in a society without morals.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:35 pm to mindbreaker
Ship them off to Puerto Rico, we don't have to pay for them.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:40 pm to Collegedropout
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de you are being like a religious fanatic on this case. Thankfully you are in the minority on this. It doesn't matter how much evidence is slammed on your head you have drawn the line in the sand and you won't be convinced otherwise because to use a common phrase republicans are so fond of. Muh drugs are bad m'kay.
So on that note I'm done with arguing with you and take solace on the fact you are on the losing side of this argument going forward whether you like it or not.
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The guy has convinced himself that regardless of any argument, it’s just not gonna work because it isn’t being done now. Just no help for people like that. “We’ve never done it like that before so it won’t work”. Pretty sad really.
de you are being like a religious fanatic on this case. Thankfully you are in the minority on this. It doesn't matter how much evidence is slammed on your head you have drawn the line in the sand and you won't be convinced otherwise because to use a common phrase republicans are so fond of. Muh drugs are bad m'kay.
So on that note I'm done with arguing with you and take solace on the fact you are on the losing side of this argument going forward whether you like it or not.
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The guy has convinced himself that regardless of any argument, it’s just not gonna work because it isn’t being done now. Just no help for people like that. “We’ve never done it like that before so it won’t work”. Pretty sad really.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:40 pm to Collegedropout
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If Heroin is going to become as acceptable as alcohol than I am not for legalizing it. They are not. good. comparisons.
Everclear isn’t as acceptable as beer. The false equivocation you’re attempting is laughable.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:43 pm to Joshjrn
If everybody who drank alcohol strictly drank everclear there would likely be a campaign to make alcohol illegal. Regardless, this has nothing to do with my point. People are using arguments like people will never do Heroin, but then try to compare it to prohibition for alcohol, even though more than half of adults if not more drink alcohol. That is the false equivocation. You are just against my side.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:45 pm to Joshjrn
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Everclear isn’t as acceptable as beer. The false equivocation you’re attempting is laughable.
Exactly. Just because it isn’t illegal doesn’t mean society accepts it.
The legal age for sex in some states are pretty young, but that doesn’t mean society accepts marriages between 16 year olds and 40 year olds. Society shuns it, but we realize we can’t legislate against everything that we necessarily disagree with.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:45 pm to Collegedropout
Nice sidestep of the point. Both beer and Everclear are legal. Yet, somehow! people draw distinctions between the two.
I’m against “your side” because it has been tried and has catastrophically failed. Millions locked in cages, hundred of billions of dollars spent. And what have we accomplished? How people can continue pretending that the status quo is acceptable is absolutely baffling.
I’m against “your side” because it has been tried and has catastrophically failed. Millions locked in cages, hundred of billions of dollars spent. And what have we accomplished? How people can continue pretending that the status quo is acceptable is absolutely baffling.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:51 pm to Joshjrn
It hasn't been tried, the government has pushed prescription drugs for years.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 2:51 pm to Collegedropout
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Regardless, this has nothing to do with my point.
No, it's just inconvenient for your point.
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People are using arguments like people will never do Heroin
People already do Heroin. A lot of people. The prohibition of heroin does not prevent heroin use. And there is no evidence that decriminalizing heroin will increase usage rates.
Yet, there is evidence that decriminalization will decrease usage rates and, more importantly, save public money and decrease violent crime.
All good things.
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but then try to compare it to prohibition for alcohol, even though more than half of adults if not more drink alcohol.
We aren't comparing the severity of alcohol and heroin. No one is. You are fundamentally misunderstanding what's being argued. We are analyzing the effect of legalization of alcohol and decriminalization of heroin on usage rates, spending, deaths, and violent crime. And, in ever instance, legalization/decriminalization as resulted in positive effects in those categories.
This post was edited on 7/9/18 at 2:56 pm
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