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question for leftists re: ownership of money - is Trump "giving" to the "rich" anything?
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:07 am
we hear it all the time; "TRUMP JUST GAVE BILLIONAIRES AND THE RICH MONEY THAT PEOPLE THAT WON'T WORK SHOULD GET"
I do not, and will likely never, understand this mindset... so here is my question:
Let's assume that you and I are neighbors and you walk your dog for a half hour every day at the same time
Once a week I sneak into your house and steal $100.00
After a while I feel guilty, so instead of taking $100.00 from your dresser drawer, I only take $80.00
Did I just give you $20.00?
I do not, and will likely never, understand this mindset... so here is my question:
Let's assume that you and I are neighbors and you walk your dog for a half hour every day at the same time
Once a week I sneak into your house and steal $100.00
After a while I feel guilty, so instead of taking $100.00 from your dresser drawer, I only take $80.00
Did I just give you $20.00?
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Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:21 am to dcbl
Here's another scenario: I go to my boss to ask for a $10 raise, but he "only" gives me a $5 raise. Did he cut my pay $5? To a leftists the answer would be yes, he cut my pay $5. 
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:25 am to dcbl
Your asking liberals to be logical? Good luck.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:26 am to dcbl
Personally I'm happy people are getting a tax break.
I think your anger is misdirected. We are upset that the very rich are getting permanent tax break in the long run after 10 years. Meanwhile, the middle class will be the ones who have to foot the bill when there is an inevitable shortage of federal income.
Between military spending and the welfare, the feds are never going to make major budget cuts (though they should).
Can't speak for everyone, but I'm not upset over the money that welfare people aren't getting.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:33 am to volod
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We are upset that the very rich are getting permanent tax break in the long run after 10 years.
Where is this happening?
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:34 am to volod
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I think your anger is misdirected
not angry; just confused about the "government is giving anybody anything" mindset...
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Between military spending and the welfare, the feds are never going to make major budget cuts (though they should).
I agree with this sentiment
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Can't speak for everyone, but I'm not upset over the money that welfare people aren't getting.
good on you
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:37 am to Aristo
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Where is this happening?
He read an article where a liberal said that so it must be true.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:37 am to dcbl
Bike lanes! 
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:38 am to volod
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Meanwhile, the middle class will be the ones who have to foot the bill when there is an inevitable shortage of federal income.
This then begs the question:
Why do liberals never support real budget cuts? Or eliminating redundant or obsolete federal positions in order to offset the lost tax revenue?
And I mean real budget cuts, not decreasing the planned budget increase.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:39 am to Aristo
He must mean corporations. If a corporation is operating in a foreign country how would a temporary tax cut entice them to return to US given the cost of relocating?
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:45 am to volod
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Meanwhile, the middle class will be the ones who have to foot the bill when there is an inevitable shortage of federal income.
Why is it when workers run out of money they are expected to quit spending, but when government runs out of money they expect to get a raise via tax theft?
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:46 am to memphis tiger
Like too many military generals or Pentagon bs. How about tge Fed and state governments blught off by big phsrna etc so hov kisses their butt?
Congressional excesses both sides
Make all income subhect to soc sec tax. End the limit
Congressional excesses both sides
Make all income subhect to soc sec tax. End the limit
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:53 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Make all income subhect to soc sec tax. End the limit
Once again - are you going to keep the cap on benefits?
Since that answer is obviously "Yes" - then the cap on the tax must remain.
This post was edited on 1/1/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/1/18 at 10:55 am to dcbl
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we hear it all the time
No we don’t.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:25 am to volod
quote:Can you elaborate, please?
We are upset that the very rich are getting permanent tax break in the long run after 10 years. Meanwhile, the middle class will be the ones who have to foot the bill when there is an inevitable shortage of federal income.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
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Once again - are you going to keep the cap on benefits?
I’m gonna save you the time waiting for him to respond: OF COURSE he wants to keep the cap on benefits. It’s not his money so why should he care.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:46 am to volod
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We are upset that the very rich are getting permanent tax break in the long run after 10 years
You're using the word "permanent" in the true sense of the word. "Forever, never ending" etc.
Unfortunately for you, "permanent" in government DOES NOT mean the same as permanent in the dictionary.
The corporate tax cut will change. It will go up again. It will go down again. This "permanent" tax cut simply means that it won't expire on its own. Meaning that they have to actually do something to change it.
On the flip side, the "10 year sunset" tax break isn't necessarily a one and done Type thing. They can extend it beyond or cut it short it need be.
The only difference is that one expires on its own automatically and the other needs to be changed. That doesn't mean that were stuck at that rate permanently
I know. The English language is hard.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 11:56 am to dcbl
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question for leftists re: ownership of money - is Trump "giving" to the "rich" anything?
Because they are tyrants at heart, and as such, believe it's the government's money first. So, from that pov, it makes all the sense in the world....even though you have to be a colossal retard to think it's government's money first.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 1:04 pm to stuntman
No, it means the Government is TAKING less,they're not giving anyone anything.
Posted on 1/1/18 at 1:06 pm to dcbl
No
He also didn't give anybody a fricking Xmas present
He also didn't give anybody a fricking Xmas present
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