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Question: At what point did all forms of media drop any pretense of objectivity...
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:17 am
...and fairness.
I am going to go with the election cycle of 2016.
The election was a lock. Donald Trump was going to lose to Hillary Clinton and lose badly. They were willing to highlight minor issues with her because they was no way she was going to lose.
And then she did.
Since then they have given up any pretense that they were focused on the truth. It is all about the narrative now.
What say you?
I am going to go with the election cycle of 2016.
The election was a lock. Donald Trump was going to lose to Hillary Clinton and lose badly. They were willing to highlight minor issues with her because they was no way she was going to lose.
And then she did.
Since then they have given up any pretense that they were focused on the truth. It is all about the narrative now.
What say you?
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:29 am to Wolfhound45
Trump truly exposed who all these idiots are. They don't even pretend to be objective
Getting rid of Trump was more important
Getting rid of Trump was more important
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:36 am to Wolfhound45
The media's turn happened during GW Bush's presidency
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:36 am to Wolfhound45
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I am going to go with the election cycle of 2016.
That may have been the culmination, but it's taken time to get to this point.
I say it was Dan Rather's "fake, but accurate " attempted election tampering, back in 2004. W's TANG awol story was revealed to be a total sham, and what happened? Rather double downed, offered zero supporting evidence, and the MSM gave him the freaking Montgomery Burns AWARD for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence for his works!
He lied. He made it up. He got caught. And then was APPLAUDED for his efforts to sink the Bush campaign and get Kerry elected.
Never forget that. Ever.
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:37 am to Wolfhound45
It seemed like just a few years ago leftists would argue the media wasn't biased. Don't see it as much now.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:42 am to Wolfhound45
100 years ago or more
If anything there were times where it has been much worse.
Back when there maybe one-three TV channels, one or two radio stations, and a newspaper that were the only places essentially everyone around you was spoon fed exactly what a couple people wanted them to hear.
There was hardly any way to call out anything.
If anything there were times where it has been much worse.
Back when there maybe one-three TV channels, one or two radio stations, and a newspaper that were the only places essentially everyone around you was spoon fed exactly what a couple people wanted them to hear.
There was hardly any way to call out anything.
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:43 am to AURaptor
I agree with you and Freauxzen that things were bad going back to both Reagan and Bush I (which is when I saw it start). But I have never seen such an absolute and utter abandonment of reporting for just straight narrative. They simply take the DNC storyline and publish it. Absolutely shameless.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:45 am to Freauxzen
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The media's turn happened during GW Bush's presidency
I think it started with the Clintons.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:45 am to wheelr
I remember in the 90's when folks called CNN the Clinton News Network, for its favorable reporting on Bill and Hillary. And this was before the Lewinsky affair. But let's not forget also the wag-the-dog action Clinton took by bombing an aspirin factory in Sudan. And how the press treated THAT with all the seriousness as if we really were engaging in a necessary and legitimate military action.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:46 am to Wolfhound45
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At what point did all forms of media drop any pretense of objectivity...
During Vietnam, see: Walter Cronkite.
After that it became just a constant stream of seeking out the most needy among us for placement in media, universities, and government. Which was extremely easy to do since true conservatives live for family, not fame and glory.
So what you are left with is an entire media, academia, and government scrambling around for relevance by seeing who can destroy the nation's base, in order to elevate their parasitic selves to a position of adulation.
Trump was far from ever being called a true conservative, but this evil triumvirate sought to destroy him because he dared to rally the nation around its traditions.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:48 am to Wolfhound45
Hell, now that I think about it, the entire narrative of JFK's Camelot in the White House was nothing more than NE Liberal media's fanfic, an expression of how they WISHED things were , and about as far from the truth as possible.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:50 am to Wolfhound45
They had gone full blown propaganda network for the left by Obama’s first term.
If any individual within that network is asked right now, they’ll deny it, and they’ll blackball any credible accusations against them regarding leftist propaganda. Remember what happened to Lara Logan.
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:55 am to Wolfhound45
It's always been the case. We didn't really start becoming aware of it until Rush Limbaugh's show really picked up steam during the early 90's.
Didn't Schwartzkopf famously fool CNN into thinking we were performing an amphibious assault into Kuwait and they set up waiting for it to happen only for coalition forces to go into Southern Iraq and hit their forces from behind?
Didn't Schwartzkopf famously fool CNN into thinking we were performing an amphibious assault into Kuwait and they set up waiting for it to happen only for coalition forces to go into Southern Iraq and hit their forces from behind?
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:06 pm to Wolfhound45
When Dan Rather was fired at CBS.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:14 pm to Wolfhound45
Different confirmation biases used to drive circulation for papers and ratings for tv news. Newspapers used to be more conservative because newspaper readers tended to be more conservative.
People who got their news from tv tended to be more liberal so the tv news slanted that way.
As newspapers started dying off and tv news took over, what you were left with is liberal domination.
There's more to it than that but there's the short version.
We actually studied this in journalism school and yes they are aware of their liberal bias.
People who got their news from tv tended to be more liberal so the tv news slanted that way.
As newspapers started dying off and tv news took over, what you were left with is liberal domination.
There's more to it than that but there's the short version.
We actually studied this in journalism school and yes they are aware of their liberal bias.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:18 pm to Wolfhound45
I’ve read that it started when Iger was head of Capital Cities ABC. Read that he figured out Op-Ed got higher ratings than objective news.
Need to read more into this, but I’d definitely say the late 90s is when the sharp turn started, which would line up with his tenure at ABC.
Need to read more into this, but I’d definitely say the late 90s is when the sharp turn started, which would line up with his tenure at ABC.
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:19 pm to Wolfhound45
It was never objective, but I think the Steele dossier might have been the moment.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:19 pm to Wolfhound45
Completely? A lot of people would say during the 2016 primary but it was really during Obammy’s reign of terror. Benghazi, IRS scandal, Fast and Furious, a lot of other corrupt shite basically ignored by much of the Gaslight Media when Obammy was president.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:19 pm to Wolfhound45
It’s really a joke that they call themselves “journalists”. They are just the indoctrination arm of the dimocrats.
Our very own Pravda.
Our very own Pravda.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:27 pm to Wolfhound45
I’m not sure when the media turned into 100% liberal propaganda.
But the media was 100% liberal propaganda by the time Bush ran against Clinton and it has been ever since.
But the media was 100% liberal propaganda by the time Bush ran against Clinton and it has been ever since.
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