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Query:why are monuments to confederate soldiers symbols of white supremacy and monuments

Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:28 pm
Posted by tigerdude12
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:28 pm
The argument is upside down. Monuments all over the country went up both in southern states and northern states between roughly 1880 and 1930. I just visted Indianapolis , Indiana where in the middle of downtown the is a huge plaza built around 1890 commentating the Union soldiers who served and died in the Civil war.. just google union war monuments and you will get results all over the north comemerating the valor of union soldiers. I also visted recently the Chicamauga battle grounds where there are tons of monuments for both sides. Why is it that when you have a monument dedicated to the valor to the Southern soldier , it's a symbol of white supremely. And there is no mention of Taking down northern monuments
Posted by Douboy
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
4332 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:30 pm to
Would love to give my honest opinion but it would get me banned like when I gave my opinion of Moochelle Obama.
Posted by tigerdude12
Member since Feb 2015
743 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:38 pm to
Seriously, the talking points in the last year have been if you support monuments to Confederate soldiers, you are a white supremist., a bigot or a Klan member. yet, the hundreds of monuments up north are never mentioned. Don't get me wrong, I think monuments to the valor of soldiers in Michigan, New York , Rhode Island were and are apprpriate but just as appropriate are the monuments to Southern soldiers. It's just one is callled white supremacy and for the other, not a word is said.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:40 pm to
A large faction of Americans are retards when it comes to history. Then you throw in people that are really stupid and loud trying to apply today's standards to men of the past.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
39148 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:41 pm to
That's one of the benefits of winning
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
49921 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:44 pm to
Much ado about nothing.

They are statues.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35429 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:51 pm to
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A large faction of Americans are retards when it comes to history.


I couldn't care less about monuments, keep them all...it's history.

But you can't blame people from taking history straight from the horses mouth. The South 160 years ago only has itself to blame for the negative view upon their heads.

History was written; then it tried to be re-written by a few Southern apologists who gained favor; and then history was re-written back to the original story.

Vice-President of the Confederacy tells us from 1860:

"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right.

The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically.

The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”

Our new (Confederacy) government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

On the eve of secession, wealthy Mississippi plantation owner Richard Thompson Archer declared it was time for the South to stand “united… in defense of the God given right to own the African."

William Thompson, editor of the Savannah, Georgia newspaper Daily Morning News. Thompson designed one of the Confederate battle flags that was accepted and approved by the Confederate government about halfway through the war.

Here’s how Mr. Thompson summarized the Southern cause:

As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race…” Thompson also went on to say his new flag design would “be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.

(Capital letters from his own quote in the newspaper)
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted by toothfxr92
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2007
322 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 11:10 pm to
I have always observed that wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find the white man, you see everything around him improving.

Robert E. Lee

We were immediately taken before General Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away. We frankly told him that we considered ourselves free. He then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget. He then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mister Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by General Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty. We were accordingly stripped to the skin ..GENERAL ROBERT E. LEE

You cannot make soldiers of slaves, nor slaves of soldiers. The moment you resort to negro soldiers your white soldiers will be lost to you.

GENERAL ROBERT E. LEE
Posted by StadiumDormRat'72
BR,LA
Member since Sep 2012
2942 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 11:20 pm to
The Liberty Place monument had nothing to do with the Civil War, or it's generals and heroes....It commemorated the murder of thirteen police officers and six bystanders in the 1875 attack on municipal police headquarters by a white supremacist group, "The White League"....

BLUE LIVES MATTER. BLUE LIVES MATTER. BLUE LIVES MATTER.

BACK THE BLUE! BACK THE BLUE! BACK THE BLUE!
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63419 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

Why is it that when you have a monument dedicated to the valor to the Southern soldier , it's a symbol of white supremely. And there is no mention of Taking down northern monuments



You honestly dont't know the answer?
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63419 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 3:38 pm to
The monuments in question in New Orleans were not erected simply to memorialize history or honor the fallen. They were a reaction to Reconstruction And the threat of a "black
Planet".
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259859 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 3:39 pm to
Black folks really dont care, its self loathing white folks.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13470 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:15 pm to
quote:


I have always observed that wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find the white man, you see everything around him improving.


The second half of this post I do not support. This part tho......I'm trying hard to disagree.
Posted by mattgr1983
Austin, Tx
Member since Oct 2012
2434 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Would love to give my honest opinion but it would get me banned like when I gave my opinion of Moochelle Obama.



Cool. So you are racist as frick, but smart enough not to get banned again.
Posted by mattgr1983
Austin, Tx
Member since Oct 2012
2434 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Seriously, the talking points in the last year have been if you support monuments to Confederate soldiers, you are a white supremist., a bigot or a Klan member. yet, the hundreds of monuments up north are never mentioned. Don't get me wrong, I think monuments to the valor of soldiers in Michigan, New York , Rhode Island were and are apprpriate but just as appropriate are the monuments to Southern soldiers. It's just one is callled white supremacy and for the other, not a word is said.



Because one side was fighting against slavery and the other was fighting for it? Not saying taking down the monuments is right or wrong, but the answer to your question is painfully obvious.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

Query:why are monuments to confederate soldiers symbols of white supremacy and monuments.


Because they were fighting for white supremacy.

The poor whites were treated like shite by the planters. No way would they yield social equality with the blacks. Blacks had to be below them.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:34 pm to
Gee it could have something to do with the Confederacy being explicitly dedicated to the preservation and spread of white supremacy and slavery.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

This part tho......I'm trying hard to disagree.



Someone hasn't been to West Virginia.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35459 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:42 pm to
I don't support the removal of monuments but do you really not understand the difference? Ignoring completely the slavery issue, one is wearing the uniform of the United States. The other, not so much.
Posted by tigerdude12
Member since Feb 2015
743 posts
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:48 pm to
I have to disagree . The first 7 southern states succeeded or left theUnion not because of slavery but because of the politics of slavery. Lincoln and the Republican Party didn't run on a" let's end slavery in the south" platform in 1860. They ran on an anti-extension of slavery in the new territories. Lincoln , who privately abhorred slavery believed he couldn't do anything about slavery as it existed in 1860... but he could do something about the expansion. Under no circumstances was slavery to be allowed in the new states coming into the union, i.e., Nebraska and Kansas. This position was untenable to the south as they saw their political power eroded as new "free" states " being admitted(two senators and congressman). Lincoln sent troops down south initially, not to free slaves, but to put down the rebellion. It was later in the war ( emancipation proclamation) that the cause changed, to set free the slaves. If you are truly interested to see what lengths the the north went to to avoid war and succession, google the Corwin amendment to the constitution.
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