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re: Proud baws convicted in NYC for Antifa fight
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:22 am to TigerBait1971
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:22 am to TigerBait1971
Per their video, ANTIFA started the fight! SO now people can't defend themselves??
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Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:23 am to arseinclarse
Im proud of the proud boys..
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:24 am to SOKAL
quote:Agreed.quote:Depends on what information the prosecutors actually had, doesn't it?
I have no doubt that the Defendants argued “self-defense,” but I see no reason that the prosecutor (in response to ANY such affirmative defense in ANY case) should be required to present a “witness” specifically to contradict a Defendant’s state of mind. The fact-finder can assess the credibility of the Defendant’s own testimony on that element and can compare it to other evidence, such as the security videos.
If they did have witnesses with exculpatory information then I am sure you would agree they had an obligation to disclose that information.
Is there a claim that the prosecutors withheld evidence from the Defendants?
This post was edited on 8/20/19 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:25 am to Hogs78
I’ve seen worse fights in high school in the 80s in the pecan orchard on the edge of town we used to go to for such. Ridiculous.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:32 am to AggieHank86
Not that I am aware of.
Just adding a general clarification that I felt you would agree with.
And just as an aside - I think we can both agree that this verdict shows why it is extremely dangerous to go into a place like Portland and engage Antifa. Venue can be all important.
Hell, there are counties in this country that you would probably be better off not driving in lest you get in an auto accident and have to face a jury from that county.
There are other counties where a good plaintiff'case has a fraction of the value it wotherwise would because the jurors are going to want to award, at most, your medical bills.
Just adding a general clarification that I felt you would agree with.
And just as an aside - I think we can both agree that this verdict shows why it is extremely dangerous to go into a place like Portland and engage Antifa. Venue can be all important.
Hell, there are counties in this country that you would probably be better off not driving in lest you get in an auto accident and have to face a jury from that county.
There are other counties where a good plaintiff'case has a fraction of the value it wotherwise would because the jurors are going to want to award, at most, your medical bills.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:37 am to AggieHank86
You appear to have a fetish for comparing the Proud Boys to the Brownshirts. Two of the major functions of the Brownshirts were voter intimidation and disrupting political rallies of the opposition. I’ll admit I don’t follow the actions of the Proud Boys much, but I haven’t seen them intimidating voters or showing up at a Biden or Warren rally to cause trouble. Have I missed something or are you just fos?
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:38 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The video seems to show the Antifa punks walking aggressively toward the Proud Boy punks, and the Proud Boy punks responding by running into the Antifa punks with fists flailing. In other words, “the best defense is a good offense.” While that premise may well be true in warfare, it is inconsistent with the criminal law in most jurisdictions.
And here he is defending them again. No Hank, it doesn't.
It shows the Antifa group running up to them and throwing something at them! You are CRAP again.
Second, the PBs followed the direction of the LEO. They were headed down the street THEY directed them to go. The LEO sent Antifa in a whole different direction.
hack!
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:39 am to arseinclarse
I wouldn't set foot in one of those liberal shithole states.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:39 am to SOKAL
quote:Agreed. If you really want to brawl with Antifa, taunt them into swarming Lubbock.
And just as an aside - I think we can both agree that this verdict shows why it is extremely dangerous to go into a place like Portland and engage Antifa. Venue can be all important.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:41 am to Flats
quote:
Have I missed something or are you just fos?
We all know the answer to that.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:44 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Let’s look
quote:
35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person.
1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use
physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she
reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a
third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or
imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person, unless:
(a) The latter's conduct was provoked by the actor with intent to
cause physical injury to another person; or
(b) The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case the
use of physical force is nevertheless justifiable if the actor has
withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such
withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing
the incident by the use or threatened imminent use of unlawful physical
force; or
(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by
agreement not specifically authorized by law
.We do not know what interaction preceded the short video clip. I might have tried “combat by agreement” under subsection (c), since both sides were clearly spoiling for a fight.
That's the video the NYPD released. That's what they used.
- It was the route the PD told them to go.
- They told Antifa to go a totally different route.
- Then antifa shows up in front of you on the path LEO told you to go.
- Then Antifa comes at you and THROWS something at you. You have no idea what it was. They have used acid attacks, milkshake concrete...etc
You have defended these people to the point over the years that we all get it. You support those actions.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:50 am to Flats
quote:They actually started more as a protection detachment and later evolved into the roles that you describe.
Two of the major functions of the Brownshirts were voter intimidation and disrupting political rallies of the opposition.
No, the analogy is not perfect. I never said otherwise. Go back and re-read the thread. The progression was as follows:
Herd: Antifa are fascists
Hank: No, they are Leftist.
Herd: Antifa are Brownshirts.
Hank: No, they are more analogous to RFB/AA. Proud Boys would be closer to Brownshirts.
Herd: Reeeeeeeee
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:53 am to Jjdoc
quote:In addition to eyewitness testimony.
That's the video the NYPD released. That's what they used.
quote:Hank: Antifa are little punks with aspirations to thugdom
You have defended these people to the point over the years that we all get it. You support those actions
JJDoc: Hank supports Antifa!
You truly have the IQ of a garden slug.
This post was edited on 8/20/19 at 8:58 am
Posted on 8/20/19 at 8:57 am to Turbeauxdog
In America today, we have to accept the normalcy of a group of masked thugs in all black aggressively approaching and assaulting you. Just lovers of free speech they are.
The proud boys had a police escort, indicating their presence was planned. They were apparently there for a purpose independent of the antifa crowd. That crowd was specifically there to confront the proud boys. I could never call them the "victims" in this case, and I don't see how anyone else could either.
The proud boys had a police escort, indicating their presence was planned. They were apparently there for a purpose independent of the antifa crowd. That crowd was specifically there to confront the proud boys. I could never call them the "victims" in this case, and I don't see how anyone else could either.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 9:01 am to AggieHank86
quote:
AggieHank86
Look here he is again. This time endorsing conviction of a defendant without a witness or victim. "You don't have the right to self defense." You must be the worst Libertarian ever.
Everyone knows what you actually are, though you think you are clever or stealthy in your views. At least the other leftist pricks on the board don't attempt to hide it.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 9:02 am to 0
quote:
Oh, believe me. I have no dog in this fight.
sure bro. no one notices you defending antifa in every reply.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 9:16 am to AggieHank86
quote:
since both sides were clearly spoiling for a fight.
Lulz
Posted on 8/20/19 at 9:20 am to DeusVultMachina
quote:Do you have an honest bone in your rhetorical body?
This time endorsing conviction of a defendant without a witness or victim. "You don't have the right to self defense." You must be the worst Libertarian ever.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 9:23 am to AggieHank86
How vigorously are you defending Antifa today by diminishing their actions? I assume you’re on tilt in this thread again.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 9:24 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Do you have an honest bone in your rhetorical body?
I think you’re projecting
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