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President Trump should announce that we are giving nukes to Japan and South Korea
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:22 pm
If we're not going to take military action against North Korea, the only other way that can kill their nuclear program and get rid of their nukes is to force China and Russia to choose between a nuclearized North Korea and nuclearized Japan and South Korea. It's mostly China that can truly force regime change in North Korea without a war.
China and Russia love North Korea having nuclear weapons because its a thorn in the side of the americans and forces us to put assets in the pacific that we could use elsewhere. North Korea is a failed state that is being propped up by Russia and China. Sanctions and attacking economies are not going to work as that's not how dictatorships in Russia and China work, the threat of force is what's going to work.
China and Japan has been forever historical enemies and the last thing they want is for Japan to get nuclear weapons of their own.
Trump need to make China and Russia choose what they want in the future.
China and Russia love North Korea having nuclear weapons because its a thorn in the side of the americans and forces us to put assets in the pacific that we could use elsewhere. North Korea is a failed state that is being propped up by Russia and China. Sanctions and attacking economies are not going to work as that's not how dictatorships in Russia and China work, the threat of force is what's going to work.
China and Japan has been forever historical enemies and the last thing they want is for Japan to get nuclear weapons of their own.
Trump need to make China and Russia choose what they want in the future.
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:22 pm to Sentrius
No
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:28 pm to Sentrius
Ummm, I don't want Japan to have Nukes either.
I mean, what if they figure out that it wasn't Dolphin and Whale that bombed Hiroshima?
I mean, what if they figure out that it wasn't Dolphin and Whale that bombed Hiroshima?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:29 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Ummm, I don't want Japan to have Nukes
I don't either but it's time to face reality here.
Sanctions and attacking the economy in asia is not going to work and has never worked with North Korea. It doesn't work with dictatorships in that country and Russia and China. The nukes in North Korea is about diminishing american power and influence in the pacific and asian region and making the Kim regime's hold on power absolute and as tough as it can be.
The situation with North Korea has gotten so bad the option of a remilitarized Japan and South Korea is literally being put on the table.
It's a pretty blunt carrot and stick strategy to get China and Russia to the negotiating table.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:31 pm to Sentrius
I'd be down for this. Sometimes you have to show the other side you're willing to go there and play the brinkmanship card.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:38 pm to Sentrius
It's dumb. They have nukes. Our nukes. They don't need their own nukes. We dont want them using them offensively anymore than China or Russia.
If you want to give them nukes, completely surrender presence in the region and tell everyone there they're on their own.
Then their nukes are pointed at us in less than a decade.
If you want to give them nukes, completely surrender presence in the region and tell everyone there they're on their own.
Then their nukes are pointed at us in less than a decade.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:40 pm to TigerinOkieHell
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Sometimes you have to show the other side you're willing to go there and play the brinkmanship card.
That's exactly what this is.
We have to nip this situation in the bud before North Korea has an IBCM that can reach Hawaii or even California.
Under no circumstances can a rogue, failed communist state be allowed to have Weapons. You might as well go ahead and arm Cuba too if you don't do anything to stop them.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:41 pm to Sentrius
SK could take them but Japan is a big no go at this point 
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:41 pm to Sentrius
Nah, but I'd encourage both of them to buy lots of expensive military equipment from us. Specifically missile defense and fancy navy ships.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:43 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:44 pm to Tiguar
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It's dumb. They have nukes. Our nukes. They don't need their own nukes. We dont want them using them offensively anymore than China or Russia.
If you want to give them nukes, completely surrender presence in the region and tell everyone there they're on their own.
Then their nukes are pointed at us in less than a decade.
Then you better be be prepared for invasion of North Korea because sanctions, attacking the asian economy and whatever diplomacy is not going to work. There's only two ways this is going to end, either we invade or we back down like pussies and start living with North Korea holding us and the global community hostage with their nukes.
Russia and China want North Korea to have nukes and there's very, very few things that will make them reconsider that. A nuclear armed Japan and South Korea is one of those things.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:46 pm to Sentrius
Japan already has nukes, they just have to be put together
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:47 pm to Sentrius
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Russia and China want North Korea to have nukes
Lol? Source?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:57 pm to Tiguar
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Lol? Source?
They may not admit it publicly but they want american influence and power out of their half of the pacific and asian region and North Korea getting nukes is just one tool for that.
China is battling for control of the south chinas sea with us and North Korea getting nukes is a very good distraction for them, Russia has the same goal in mind. Whoever controls trade in that area controls a gigantic chunk of the global economy.
Anything that can occupy american power and energy away from them is a good thing for them.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:01 pm to TigerinOkieHell
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Sometimes you have to show the other side you're willing to go there and play the brinkmanship card.
Your crazy uncle is wrong on this one too.
don't invite Trump to play "brinksmanship" with nuclear weapons.
the Chinese really do not "get" the Donald at all.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:03 pm to Sentrius
There are other ways to hit China effectively. frick giving Japan nukes.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:03 pm to Sentrius
What could go wrong?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:03 pm to Sentrius
let's do a speriment...
Trump sends NKorea a crap ton of cash, gold, bonds a helo full of hookers---like Obama did Iran--- and see what the media says.
Trump sends NKorea a crap ton of cash, gold, bonds a helo full of hookers---like Obama did Iran--- and see what the media says.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:06 pm to DallasTiger11
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There are other ways to hit China effectively.
Name them and lets see if they're on the level of forcing China to conduct regime change in North Korea and dismantling their nuclear program.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:26 pm to Tiguar
quote:Japan doesn't want Japan to have nukes. Abe is facing heated protests and some backbench rebellion in his own party just for loosening deployment restrictions on the conventional Self-Defense Force.
It's dumb. They have nukes. Our nukes. They don't need their own nukes. We dont want them using them offensively anymore than China or Russia.
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