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“Preemptive pardons are proof of guilt”
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:20 pm to hawgfaninc
The laughs keep coming at the expense of the dumb left.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:22 pm to hawgfaninc
It certainly implies guilt. More importantly, it removes the possibility of invoking the Fifth Amendment for the pardoned act(s)
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:25 pm to hawgfaninc
Would have been better if ended with Biden’s Larsons of Hunter and All other family members and then Curb Your Enthusiasm music playing
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:26 pm to Indefatigable
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It certainly implies guilt. More importantly, it removes the possibility of invoking the Fifth Amendment for the pardoned act(s)
At the federal level.
They’ll still clam up for fear of state charges.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:27 pm to hawgfaninc
The Law of Projection strikes again.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:32 pm to Godfather1
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They’ll still clam up for fear of state charges.
FWIW, none of these people were ever going to be prosecuted regardless, but wouldn't any of their actions have taken place in DC?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:34 pm to Indefatigable
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FWIW, none of these people were ever going to be prosecuted regardless, but wouldn't any of their actions have taken place in DC?
I suppose that would depend upon what they were charged with.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:35 pm to hawgfaninc
SFP will be along shortly to explain how this is (D)ifferent
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:35 pm to Indefatigable
Removes the reason, not the ability from a legal standpoint. Since a person is pardoned they have no real practical reason to not answer since they cannot ostensibly incriminate themselves. But the ability to invoke it is still there. It would be illegal and unconstitutional to assert that by receiving a pardon you sacrifice your 5th Amendment Rights even on the particular issue. It's tantamount to a quid pro quo in receiving a pardon.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:37 pm to Godfather1
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At the federal level. They’ll still clam up for fear of state charges.
and Milley can be recalled to active duty to face a military tribunal and stripped of his rank and pension
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:37 pm to hawgfaninc
"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
Preemptive pardons are necessary in today's political world. Crimes can be created.
Preemptive pardons are necessary in today's political world. Crimes can be created.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:41 pm to Locoguan0
I was thinking though that Cheney and Fauci should never have been offered pardons. There was no need....especially in Cheney's case.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 5:48 pm to KiwiHead
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It would be illegal and unconstitutional to assert that by receiving a pardon you sacrifice your 5th Amendment Rights even on the particular issue.
Why? You can no longer incriminate yourself, or have your property forfeited as a result of that action.
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It's tantamount to a quid pro quo in receiving a pardon.
between who? The POTUS and the Congress?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:50 am to KiwiHead
quote:fauci's pardon is unconditional back to 2014. Ask yourself why 2014
Fauci should never have been offered pardons.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:03 am to Indefatigable
A lot of states, especially the bigger ones like Texas and Florida, will likely have some kind of nexus with high ranking federal officials/employees.
Fauci's pardon for example is basically an admission that his gain of function research created covid 19. Could the state of Texas for example indict or sue him for the damages covid caused in their state? I'm honestly not sure if that would be legal or possible but there has to be stuff like that the states could still do.
Fauci's pardon for example is basically an admission that his gain of function research created covid 19. Could the state of Texas for example indict or sue him for the damages covid caused in their state? I'm honestly not sure if that would be legal or possible but there has to be stuff like that the states could still do.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:04 am to BuckeyeGoon
quote:exactly. It was banned in 2014
Fauci's pardon for example is basically an admission that his gain of function research created covid 19.
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